Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not really.Both Lobo and even the Mask have proven they are well capable of losing.
Arale and OPM exist to give battleboards' posters nightmares.
Mosquito.
Originally posted by -Pr-
*****, you didn't even read my post. Don't try weighing in when you have no idea what's even being talked about.
😂 Pr can always be relied upon for choice quotes about Carv.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not really.Both Lobo and even the Mask have proven they are well capable of losing.
Arale and OPM exist to give battleboards' posters nightmares.
now explain to me what exactly is the difference between saitama and the mask, and arale and lobo
where is the proof that arale and saitama can't lose?
you can't just create a character and say he is unbeatable no matter what circumstances, then expect everyone else not in the same fictions abide by set of rules
Originally posted by AstnerTo a point true. We can say that Saitama's strength is nebulously above the feats he's performed thus far, but yeah Saitama being invincible in a verse as weak as OPM's doesn't really mean anything when dealing with a character who has feats at least in the double digits in all likelihood that are orders of magnitude better than Saitama's (Superman).
Vs debating has always been detached from the narrative. It's completely irrelevant that a character isn't intended to lose or struggle.A character is assigned the least amount of power necessary to replicate the consistent feats of his story.
Saitama also isn't even really a "gag character", sure some of his fights are played for comedy and in general his overwhelming strength compared to his foes is humorous, but he's not doing ridiculous dumb shit like punching people and turning them into a pile of pennies or hitting someone so hard they put out all the stars in the night sky like Popeye or whoever. Saitama's strength, while huge especially in the context of his story, is treated in a very mundane way. He just punches so hard and fast he can cause shockwaves and ignite the air with the4 friction which while often not actually physically possible is a lot more mundane than the shit actual gag characters get up to.
That's why the Popeye vs. Saitama fight in DB was so one-sided. Popeye is an actual gag character who is portrayed as having basically no limits to his strength as long as it can make you laugh. With Saitama the gag is just that he's a late series power creeped shonen DBZ character at the start of the manga where everyone is way too weak to fight him. Not the same thing at all.
Superman would swarm Saitama's boy pussy incidentally.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85One shouln't use comedic moments is actual low showings, it's like in DBZ when Krillin throws a rock against Goku's head and he's "hurt".
Torako, right? Hilarious how suddenly, these low showings are forgotten about.....but Superman, who has more appearances in two months than Saitama has in his entire run, has people memorising his.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Saitama also isn't even really a "gag character", sure some of his fights are played for comedy and in general his overwhelming strength compared to his foes is humorous, but he's not doing ridiculous dumb shit like punching people and turning them into a pile of pennies or hitting someone so hard they put out all the stars in the night sky like Popeye or whoever.
Originally posted by NemeBro
That's why the Popeye vs. Saitama fight in DB was so one-sided. Popeye is an actual gag character who is portrayed as having basically no limits to his strength as long as it can make you laugh. With Saitama the gag is just that he's a late series power creeped shonen DBZ character at the start of the manga where everyone is way too weak to fight him. Not the same thing at all.
That said, arguing that "a character can do anything as long as it makes people laugh," is just as bad as arguing that "Saitama is always significantly more powerful than whomever he fights."
Anyone who makes either of these arguments don't understand versus debating.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Superman would swarm Saitama's boy pussy incidentally.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85You seem quite salty, but I never said that. I also wouldn't count shit like Louis throwing a newspaper into Clark's face and him going "oww that hurt" or Flash slipping on a banana while cleaning his room either. I don't even care about this whole mess going on here but this "I take this obviously not meant serious moment and use it a fighting feat" is bugging me, I've seen it many times, unrelated to this topic. And if you now want to bring examples from the other side and how retarded they argue, keep in mind it's Carver.
Mmmm yes.Comedic toon force type showings only count when they're high showings, amirite?
It's similar to the meeting at the rooftop between Spider-Man and Wolverine where Wolverine basically softly knocks on Spider-Man's head and he acts as if it actually hurts. I can take arguments from showings like Spider-Man breaking his hand on Hammerhead's adamantium skull while punching it but not from shit like this. Regardless of who's the "victim" of said low showings.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
You seem quite salty, but I never said that. I also wouldn't count shit like Louis throwing a newspaper into Clark's face and him going "oww that hurt" or Flash slipping on a banana while cleaning his room either. I don't even care about this whole mess going on here but this "I take this obviously not meant serious moment and use it a fighting feat" is bugging me, I've seen it many times, unrelated to this topic. And if you now want to bring examples from the other side and how retarded they argue, keep in mind it's Carver.It's similar to the meeting at the rooftop between Spider-Man and Wolverine where Wolverine basically softly knocks on Spider-Man's head and he acts as if it actually hurts. I can take arguments from showings like Spider-Man breaking his hand on Hammerhead's adamantium skull while punching it but not from shit like this. Regardless of who's the "victim" of said low showings.
Well my point was that, comedic or not, it's a low showing for Saitama.
The entire premise and depiction of Saitama in the OPM universe is one of a gag; he's a comedic element in a serious series, if that makes sense. Even the source of his powers (100 pushups, 100 sit-ups etc) is a comedic gag.
But all that gets accepted without question. Ok, that's fair- suspension of belief etc.
it's just a bit rich bringing low showings up for one side (tractors and Superman, back when he was depowered or whatever), then asserting Saitama has no limits, when we've seen him have low showings.
And it's not even Carv doing it. It's Stilt (who, incidentally, loves using Logan tapping Peter's head).