Originally posted by playa1258
Saitama is probably somewhere between Namek saga and Buu Saga Goku depending on how his feats are rated.
I'm still going to reserve my answer on whether or not Dragon Ball characters could beat Saitama with their energy-blasts until the fight between Saitama and Garou concludes.
Originally posted by Astner
I'm not familiar with Super, but as far as the original Dragon Ball manga is concerned there's no one who can physically compete with Saitama, since they need to rely on energy-blasts to destroy planets.I'm still going to reserve my answer on whether or not Dragon Ball characters could beat Saitama with their energy-blasts until the fight between Saitama and Garou concludes.
you don't think super saiya 2 gohan or perfect cell can beat him?
what about buuhan or vegito?
Originally posted by AstnerThe counterargument is that it’s a consistent feat of Superman’s (and OPMs, I guess) to scale up in power to meet a threat. It’s not just one writer’s intention, but an actual canonical aspect of his powers. Arguing that he couldn’t surpass his own feats if needed is like arguing that Darwin is limited on the forum to his on-panel evolutions.
Vs debating has always been detached from the narrative. It's completely irrelevant that a character isn't intended to lose or struggle.A character is assigned the least amount of power necessary to replicate the consistent feats of his story.
Imo there doesn’t need to be a firm line. People should just try for a reasonable interpretation of the characters. And it’s ok if the answer is just that OPM doesn’t work in a forum setting because his whole shtick is a meta joke about power levels.
Originally posted by MrMind
you don't think super saiya 2 gohan or perfect cell can beat him?what about buuhan or vegito?
Dragon Ball characters can only destroy planets through energy projection, and while Saitama survived Garou's gamma-ray burst I'm undecided as to whether or not it should count as a real gamma-ray burst given the substantially lower power scale of feats in the most recent chapter.
Originally posted by Smurph
The counterargument is that it’s a consistent feat of Superman’s (and OPMs, I guess) to scale up in power to meet a threat. It’s not just one writer’s intention, but an actual canonical aspect of his powers. Arguing that he couldn’t surpass his own feats if needed is like arguing that Darwin is limited on the forum to his on-panel evolutions.Imo there doesn’t need to be a firm line. People should just try for a reasonable interpretation of the characters. And it’s ok if the answer is just that OPM doesn’t work in a forum setting because his whole shtick is a meta joke about power levels.
As far as I'm concerned Saitama epitomizes why narrative shouldn't be considered in versus debates.
Originally posted by Astner
In terms of physical capacity? No. Dragon Ball character kick each other through mountains, Saitama got kicked to the moon, and destroyed one of Jupiter's moons by flipping over the ground.Dragon Ball characters can only destroy planets through energy projection, and while Saitama survived Garou's gamma-ray burst I'm undecided as to whether or not it should count as a real gamma-ray burst given the substantially lower power scale of feats in the most recent chapter.
well broly destroyed galaxy before he was ssj2 level, perfect cell's final blast was powerful enough to destroy solar system
unless it's restricted to h2h how is gonna survive energy blasts
Originally posted by MrMind
well broly destroyed galaxy before he was ssj2 level,
Originally posted by MrMind
perfect cell's final blast was powerful enough to destroy solar system
Originally posted by MrMind
unless it's restricted to h2h how is gonna survive energy blasts
Maybe we'll even get feats on a higher level. So there's no point in trying to conclude this mid-fight.
Originally posted by Smurph
Yes. Some characters have inconsistent power levels. Therein is the problem.
Originally posted by Astner
In terms of physical capacity? No. Dragon Ball character kick each other through mountains, Saitama got kicked to the moon, and destroyed one of Jupiter's moons by flipping over the ground.Dragon Ball characters can only destroy planets through energy projection, and while Saitama survived Garou's gamma-ray burst I'm undecided as to whether or not it should count as a real gamma-ray burst given the substantially lower power scale of feats in the most recent chapter.
No. That's just a consequence of inconsistent power levels. You have the exact same thing going on for the Street-tiers, but no one is trying to push this bullshit for them. It's not like this is a one-way street either. By looking at one of his recent battles, e.g. versus Rogol Zaar, we can determine that he doesn't operate on the scale a lot of people here think he does.
As far as I'm concerned Saitama epitomizes why narrative shouldn't be considered in versus debates.
Originally posted by abhilegend
By the fight with Rogol Zaar, you mean where he shook the entire phantom zone along with Zod and said he could destroy it completely if he wanted to? That fight?
No, the fight where he almost killed Superman and knocked him TF out (humans lifting him up trying to drag him away) until Supergirl saved him.