Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Why are people in vs related forum trying to deny the fact that Superman is the origin of metaverse and even everything in DC?
Isn't it confirmed fact by many writers including Geoff Johns and Grant Morrison?
Despite, Doomsday Clock#10 confims it, why do people deny the fact?

We've known for years now that Superman is, essentially, the key to existence in the DCU...

Manhattan is just exploring *why* that is in greater detail than anyone has before, it seems:

Batman is more important.

Originally posted by Galan007
We've known for years now that Superman is, essentially, the key to existence in the DCU...

Manhattan is just exploring *why* that is in greater detail than anyone has before, it seems:

its because some people will always think of him as a regular ol herald level character no matter what he does. they put him in a bubble and refuse to look outside it because they just dont want to admit hes beyond your surfers and thors.....

I dont think those scans have anything to do with power levels. Does anyone truly believe Batman is skyfather level because his role is just as important. It's not about power level, it's about the importance of both characters. Superman brings hope.

Did you even read the post I was responding to with those scans?

Hint: they weren't posted as a means of displaying Superman's power-level.

Agreed. Wasnt directing that at you though. I'm talking about the Surfer and Thor comment. I tend to quote you directly when I speak to the mighty Galan.

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Those scans only showcase how immensely important he is to the DCU -- it ALL revolves around him in a very fundamental way.

Power-levels would be a completely different convo.

I will not refer to the power level though.
I only referd to how important Superman is in both metafictional history of Superhero genre and settings in DC.
I only like the idea and fact that writers are trying to introduce metafiction into setting.
It has something to do with importance and nothing to do with power level.

Originally posted by carver9
I dont think those scans have anything to do with power levels. Does anyone truly believe Batman is skyfather level because his role is just as important. It's not about power level, it's about the importance of both characters. Superman brings hope.

Certainly.

Batman isn't the one KOing Anti-Monitor level beings, regardless.

Originally posted by cdtm
Certainly.

Batman isn't the one KOing Anti-Monitor level beings, regardless.

Did you read Justice League #25 or did you just see people discussing it on KMC? I feel confident you have more common sense than this.

what part of his post is wrong?

Caught up on Q War.

It's fairly fun, but has problems. The biggest being: WHY would the supposedly "sensible Q" lobby for war against the Organian's, of all races? They NEVER provoke a comfrontation. They're not true pacifists by any means (You can't call yourself a pacifist when you physically force a war to cease), but they generally keep to themselves.

Not only that, "sensible Q"

Spoiler:
was all over "arrogant Q" for traumatizing lower beings by provoking the Wormhole Aliens, yet what does he think causing random supernovae in his war will do? Make them happy as their worlds burn?

All signs point to Arrogant Q not only being secretly against the war, but to using his pal Picard and the other captains to prevent wrecking havok among the lower beings.

...which, if true, makes his provocation of the Founders a puzzle. Was he being a dick to be a dick, or did he want to draw in the other Q for some reason?

Originally posted by CatL18
I will not refer to the power level though.
I only referd to how important Superman is in both metafictional history of Superhero genre and settings in DC.
I only like the idea and fact that writers are trying to introduce metafiction into setting.
It has something to do with importance and nothing to do with power level.

Originally posted by cdtm
Caught up on Q War.

It's fairly fun, but has problems. The biggest being: WHY would the supposedly "sensible Q" lobby for war against the Organian's, of all races? They NEVER provoke a comfrontation. They're not true pacifists by any means (You can't call yourself a pacifist when you physically force a war to cease), but they generally keep to themselves.

Not only that, "sensible Q"

Spoiler:
was all over "arrogant Q" for traumatizing lower beings by provoking the Wormhole Aliens, yet what does he think causing random supernovae in his war will do? Make them happy as their worlds burn?

All signs point to Arrogant Q not only being secretly against the war, but to using his pal Picard and the other captains to prevent wrecking havok among the lower beings.

...which, if true, makes his provocation of the Founders a puzzle. Was he being a dick to be a dick, or did he want to draw in the other Q for some reason?

if so do we know who the most powerful Q is?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
You know, VS forums, Never short of biases or haters
For them, A character who they hate will be downplay from many degrees even it not related to power levels

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
what part of his post is wrong?

Give Batman a big enough amp and he can ko anyone. Example, he was amped enough at one point that he drew blood from Superman mouth with a punch.

thats stupid.

superman preformed the feat. just superman.

saying crap like "well so and so could have also done the feat if they were amped" is just arbitrary bullshit. makes you sound even more butthurt about what superman did honestly.

Originally posted by carver9
Give Batman a big enough amp and he can ko anyone.