Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Been pondering the philosophical implications of a heroic "Jack the Ripper".

Should it be offensive? The real life person was a rapist and murderer, yet the manga rendition is a sympathetic anti-hero.

One can argue that this Jack is entirely fictional, and therefore not offensive in the least because he isn't in any way the real person. Just like Sasaki Kojiro has a fictional made up history that conflicts with real life, as does Myomoto Mushashi being a "friend who wants to murder and be murdered".

To that I'd ask, what if we made a sympathetic fictional Hitler? And not like JoJo did a sympathetic random Nazi officer, I mean the actual Adolf Hitler, written just like Jack the Ripper?

Where should we draw the line?

^ You draw the line at Philip.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Is this version of Majestic really just a 12-year old kid?

They had to come up with a new weak-ass version that Supes could beat up. Typical.

Originally posted by cdtm

To that I'd ask, what if we made a sympathetic fictional Hitler?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
What do you mean what if?

Did that actually happen? 😱

You aren't talking about those Downfall memes are you?

Record of Ragnarok has AMAZING characters, any one of them could be a main character in their own manga.

Adam is totally a Meliodas riff.

Pretty standard but neat design, could fit right in to Blade of the Immortal, Naruto, Kenshin...

What can you even say here, this is outstanding!

Hercules and Jack the Ripper, probably the most iconic match up from the anime.

At the Raiden vs Shiva fight now, looking forward to passing the anime and seeing what happens next.

Why are you posting anime stuff here?

Bently asked for permission, the usual thread here got wiped.

Hey Bent and Geck and other manga readers, ever hear of Ricky-O? Starts off in a prison, very gory. Has a major Baki vibe actually, I'm wondering if it was an inspiration.

Ricky-O gets his powers from divine sources, compare to demon back Hanma Yujiro. Ricky-O one shot KO'd a giant war elephant just like Yujiro did. Would be a great crossover fight.

Granted in terms of feats Ricky-O probably lags but so what, writers do what they want.

Originally posted by cdtm
Record of Ragnarok has AMAZING characters, any one of them could be a main character in their own manga.

Adam is totally a Meliodas riff.

Pretty standard but neat design, could fit right in to Blade of the Immortal, Naruto, Kenshin...

What can you even say here, this is outstanding!

Hercules and Jack the Ripper, probably the most iconic match up from the anime.

At the Raiden vs Shiva fight now, looking forward to passing the anime and seeing what happens next.

Staying on Record of Ragnarok, Herc vs Jack is the perfect example of what I meant when I said Ohma could have beaten Kuroki if he didn't know his tricks. Jack's entire thing was subterfuge and cunning. Literally all of his attacks relied on Hercules being unaware of his capabilities or true intentions.

Case in point, Jack

Spoiler:
allows himself to be beaten within an inch of his life so he could coat his special gloves with his own blood. These gloves were already established at being capable of turning anything you touch into a "divine weapon" that can harm a god who is immune to all mortal harm. Jack is so badly beaten Herc lets his guard down and is impales by his hands, coated in Jacks "divine blood".

A lot of "secret techniques" were not secert to Kuroki, so he had a chance to develop counters.

Didn't Kuroki know about the Niko style before KAT though?

I'm not sure Ohma's style is more sneaky or dependant on pulling triumph cards than Setsuna's and Kuroki defeated Kiryu pretty solidly, so I'm unsure if beforehand knowledge would be much of a factor.

He knew about the Niko Style, but didn't know about the Advance or particulars on ultimate moves. Ohma got him with a pretty effective looking knee, and tagged a punch to the face, stands to reason he could have tagged him with a full advance punch into another move like he did Lolong.

Plus Demonsbane, if it was that hard to defend against when he knew the trick to it, it may have defeated him going in cold.

The thing with Gensai is once he gets going he's pretty much unstoppable, but he does make mistakes early. You have openings, just not a lot of them.

While we're on Kuroki Gensai, I wonder where Rihito is in the pecking order now really? Saw Paing just barely best Seki, and "Awakened Rihito" walked all over him.

It's probably fair to say he still won't last against Ohma, since Ohma himself approaches Kuraki Gensai, meaning Rihito would need to legitimately challenge his master before tackling that rematch.

But that theoretically still puts Rihito above everyone who is on Saw Paings level which is a pretty sizable list. Okubo, Cosmo, Seki for sure. How about Gaolong?

Metuba? Rei?

If only Waka and Fang and Lolong stand above him, that puts Rihito pretty high up there then. Like it takes an S ranker to beat him now.

Is it just me or are people in the power-scaling community incapable of distinguishing between the informal language used in works of fiction, and the formalized language used on versus forums?

Like Vsbattle? How so?

Originally posted by Astner
Is it just me or are people in the power-scaling community incapable of distinguishing between the informal language used in works of fiction, and the formalized language used on versus forums?

Originally posted by cdtm
Like Vsbattle? How so?

Originally posted by Galan007
What do you mean?

However, in a work of fiction, "infinite" may be used to describe something that's vast but still finite. Of course, this is where context plays a role in helping us establishing what the term actually alludes to.

Now suppose someone insists on referring to something as infinite in spite of the context clarifying this is not the case, and then when corrected they justify it by claiming they're "just citing the text."

Originally posted by Astner
Well, this particular example was on Discord.

On versus forums we have certain agreed upon conventions. If I say "infinite" I mean "not finite," and if I mean anything else I'm simply wrong. This is to maintain a semblance of completeness, consistency, validity, and soundness while debating. We want to make our interpretations clear to avoid unnecessary confusion.

However, in a work of fiction, "infinite" may be used to describe something that's vast but still finite. Of course, this is where context plays a role in helping us establishing what the term actually alludes to.

Now suppose someone insists on referring to something as infinite in spite of the context clarifying this is not the case, and then when corrected they justify it by claiming they're "just citing the text."

If there are proven limits yet they insist on calling it "infinite" then yeah.

When Superman breaks "unbreakable" star towing chains and Darth Vader breaks "indestructible" metal, I don't think anyone argued the metals were actually indestructible like Primary Adamatium. Though some here may love to argue that.

Originally posted by Astner
Well, this particular example was on Discord.

On versus forums we have certain agreed upon conventions. If I say "infinite" I mean "not finite," and if I mean anything else I'm simply wrong. This is to maintain a semblance of completeness, consistency, validity, and soundness while debating. We want to make our interpretations clear to avoid unnecessary confusion.

However, in a work of fiction, "infinite" may be used to describe something that's vast but still finite. Of course, this is where context plays a role in helping us establishing what the term actually alludes to.

Now suppose someone insists on referring to something as infinite in spite of the context clarifying this is not the case, and then when corrected they justify it by claiming they're "just citing the text."

Odin, for example, has been described "omnipotent", yet we know he obviously is not literally omnipotent, as there are several characters who could casually one-shot him. There's a huge difference between purple prose and legitimate on-panel fact. /shrug

Originally posted by Astner
Is it just me or are people in the power-scaling community incapable of distinguishing between the informal language used in works of fiction, and the formalized language used on versus forums?

You are describing ve battles forum right here