Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
but vs boards use characters whose abilities have been defined and redefined by writers. Remember all the powers are ridiculous and impossible, add to that the constant revision in personality and power in plot etc. Remember the only constant in comics is the lack of reference point.
Is it going to be easy? No. But the alternative is that we engage in debates using our preferred head-canon.
Originally posted by cdtm
Ignoring every context for want of a few feats is not good debating imo.
Originally posted by Robtard
IMO, it's best to go by highest portrayal of feats, that way it leaves out some of the biased interpretation.
Originally posted by AstnerI genuinely believe comic is all "head cannon" from the writer to the poster. I also thing that "head cannon" is determined by when you started reading and who you started reading as a writer of said character.
Yes. So for characters in on-going stories they have to be consistently revised as the story progresses.Is it going to be easy? No. But the alternative is that we engage in debates using our preferred head-canon.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. I'm advocating for context analysis.
It doesn't, in fact it leads to even more unwarranted bias. Because now you've given people an excuse to ignore any semblance of grounding, while simultaneously given them the freedom to interpret implicit feats any way they'd like.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I genuinely believe comic is all "head cannon" from the writer to the poster. I also thing that "head cannon" is determined by when you started reading and who you started reading as a writer of said character.
Originally posted by Astnerbut if the Canon varies due to the writer and it's unclear what is revision, retcon etc. You have no continuity. No baseline to school from and if this is true for all major character and goes back 50 to 80 years, good luck with that.
No. There's an actual canon outlined by the books. Head-canon should never be part of powerscaling, because if something isn't official then no one is under any obligation to accept it.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
but if the Canon varies due to the writer and it's unclear what is revision, retcon etc. You have no continuity. No baseline to school from and if this is true for all major character and goes back 50 to 80 years, good luck with that.
Originally posted by Astneron the interpretation, for hard core comic fans that's on them. The plots and events even have pictures showing what happened, yet they still pull their own interpretations out of their ass.
Just because the canon changes doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's a retroactive medium, so contemporary works are going to carry more weight. But at the end of the day it's about making sense of the stories rather than misconstruing them by injecting our own interpretations into words and phrases that's been taken out of context.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
on the interpretation, for hard core comic fans that's on them. The plots and events even have pictures showing what happened, yet they still pull their own interpretations out of their ass.
Originally posted by cdtmHe's bi AFAIK. From what I've read, he's had relationships with women. Unless they retconned them all away.
Hey I read on a Reddit Constantine is gay??! ?No!...not that I care... 🤒
Thought he was bi though.
Originally posted by DiesldudeMost people have Old Man Whirly! and cdtm on ignore. Those who don't, are waiting for exciting comics to be released by Marvel and DC. Let's just say, there's been a lull from both of those companies on that front.
So no one discusses comics here anymore?
I mean... Sins of Sinister is really entertaining but I think most readers understand that it's more like Age of Apocalypse and will be retconned once the storyline is resolved.
Otherwise, Mr. Sinister has become one of my favorite villains in comics. All credit to Jonathan Hickman and Kieron Gillen. 👆
Originally posted by ODG
he's had relationships with women
Originally posted by Diesldudeyou can only discuss spiral stories so many times, I mean take Superman vs Majestic. The writer made it for a different generation, the one who should be reading comics that are fresh for them and the comic guys here didn't like it because they feel comics should be written for them. Instead they want to share about how films like everything, everywhere all at once make then cry with emotion and how they possibly aren't really fit for dealing with strong emotions and are overly sensitive, maybe have bipolar, autism stuff. It is what it is.
So no one discusses comics here anymore?
Pretty much, we aren't the target audience anymore.
I do think there's also far less creative freedom in the big two as enjoyed by Alan Moore, John Ostrander, Neil Gaiman, Grant Morrison, Jim Starlin ect ect. Of course even back then "mainstream" comics were considered formulaic compared to Indy stuff like Cerebus.
The thing of it is, you had writers who actually took pride in their work, while the modern landscape seems to be sweatshops headed by micromanaging editors anz written by disgruntled hacks who hope to go on to better things in film or something..
Seriously, who are even the big think writers now? Jason Aaron? I like his writing too, but is he Alan Moore tier?
Originally posted by cdtmNo, he isn't Alan Moore tier, nowhere near.
Pretty much, we aren't the target audience anymore.I do think there's also far less creative freedom in the big two as enjoyed by Alan Moore, John Ostrander, Neil Gaiman, Grant Morrison, Jim Starlin ect ect. Of course even back then "mainstream" comics were considered formulaic compared to Indy stuff like Cerebus.
The thing of it is, you had writers who actually took pride in their work, while the modern landscape seems to be sweatshops headed by micromanaging editors anz written by disgruntled hacks who hope to go on to better things in film or something..
Seriously, who are even the big think writers now? Jason Aaron? I like his writing too, but is he Alan Moore tier?