Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Same thing can basically apply to Superman though(and that's assuming we give the strength part to Hulk).
With CIS off, heck, even with it on (bfr) I would give Superman the edge depending on the Hulk. My argument here isn't about a fight, or who would win. All I'm saying is, Hulk would've broken out of those chains.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
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We literally have the statement that Mercy says Lex designed that machine and those chains to use someone's powers against them.
https://ibb.co/vLbPMBJAnd based on the issues so far that have been released. I think it's unlikely Superboy's breaking chains is equal to Superman's here
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With the machine AND the chains = imprisonment
Without the machine, ONLY the chains = less impressive. Hell, we see the Chained flying around and using his powers with the chains lmao.
So sorry Carver, Superboy breaking them with one hand doesn't mean anything. Not that it did in the first place, your logic is just whack/nonexistent.
Originally posted by carver9
I can give you this, but there's not a single shed of evidence supporting the chains being > what was holding Hulk. Especially since we actually have other characters to scale off of.
Someone making a trap that cannot be broken by mere strength is better than someone who makes a trap that can. Guess you need to reread the comic 😂
Originally posted by carver9
I can give you this, but there's not a single shed of evidence supporting the chains being > what was holding Hulk. Especially since we actually have other characters to scale off of.
But what we can inform from this instance is: Superman is willing to use his speed(and in a bit more subtle manner), and willing to combine it to his other powers when he feels he needs to do that
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
The other way around is also true. there's not a single shed of evidence supporting Hulk's being > what was holding SupermanBut what we can inform from this instance is: Superman is willing to use his speed(and in a bit more subtle manner), and willing to combine it to his other powers when he feels he needs to do that
Carver will accept this to save face.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
The other way around is also true. there's not a single shed of evidence supporting Hulk's being > what was holding SupermanBut what we can inform from this instance is: Superman is willing to use his speed(and in a bit more subtle manner), and willing to combine it to his other powers when he feels he needs to do that
There's proof because we can guadge how powerful the instrument was that was holding Hulk. We have Classic Strange, Namor, AND Surfer being unable to break through. We don't have a single shed of evidence beside Superman being unable to break free from this device. As of now, until more light is shed on thise chains, Hulk ft>>>>>>>Superman showing.
Originally posted by carver9
Or, he just wasn't strong enough to break it. He needed a Hulk.
Well maybe if Luthor was in Marvel Hulk would still be trapped 😛. But tell us who made that trap, dear Carv, and we'll do a feat war with Luthor. I won't even use Pre Crisis orange juice Luthor lol.
I assume you're referring to the Starwheel, correct?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well maybe if Luthor was in Marvel Hulk would still be trapped 😛. But tell us who made that trap, dear Carv, and we'll do a feat war with Luthor. I won't even use Pre Crisis orange juice Luthor lol.
The ft isn't who made the device, the ft is what the devices has done. It holding Surfer, Strange and Namor gives us an indication on how powerful the device is. We don't automatically assume that since Luthor made something, its > anything someone else makes. That is not how this works. You need to provide fts for the chains. It's like me asking you to provide fts from the person who built the machine that Superman was benching earth weights on. You won't have sh** because it doesn't exist. We just go by what is shown on panel.
Originally posted by carver9
The ft isn't who made the device, the ft is what the devices has done. It holding Surfer, Strange and Namor gives us an indication on how powerful the device is. We don't automatically assume that since Luthor made something, its > anything someone else makes. That is not how this works. You need to provide fts for the chains. It's like me asking you to provide fts from the person who built the machine that Superman was benching earth weights on. You won't have sh** because it doesn't exist. We just go by what is shown on panel.
Ah so you're backing down and running away.
You're right, despite Luthor being this super smart guy, he makes trash equipment that we cannot say for certain is any good.
I'll remember this next time Tony or any 'smart' guy makes a weapon/suit that gets trashed in Marvel 😂 thanks, good argument there.
All you can say for certain is that Hulk is stronger than any one of Namor/Strange. Surfer was caught by surprise (they even say so) so we can discount him.
That's it. So you bringing Hulk up in the first place is doo doo, as you would say.
I basically said Hulk broke out of something similar (that was also draining his power) with pure brute strength, something that Superman couldn't do with a similar showing. What I said is pretty concrete. Everything Tony and any other genius make needs ft. We just don't automatically put them in transtier ranking because these people made it.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How does your logic work?I make a trap out of titanium. Doesn't matter how strong you are, you can't break out of it. People have to use their lock picking skills to break out.
You make a trap out of rope. Some guys can't break out of it, but one guy can.
Am I not the better trap maker, by actually making something that is impossible to break out of by pure strength? It doesn't necessarily mean that the guy who broke out of YOUR trap can suddenly....break titanium. Or that the guy who broke out of YOUR trap is the strongest of all time.