Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Originally posted by ODG
Websites, taglines & ads -- they do not compare to the actual on-panel comics. Particularly not when we've had 3+ years of DC's entire library of ongoing publishing record since Death Metal concluded.
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Just for pre-crisis history, pretty sure it has already have many instances that refer to it

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Then the latest Superman Red/Blue comic showcased this, as Superman remembers (and the editor, Jamie Rich, directly confirms it) doing something in World's Finest 192-193, which was released in 1970 (i.e. pre Crisis):

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Interesting that DC once more showcases that everything is canon - the Ultra Humanite directly references the Purple Plague (Action Comics #19, 1940) and the Atomic Disintegrator (plus multiple bodies, Action Comics #21, 1940):

Superman and the Authority #4, 2021:

Action Comics #19, 1940:

Action Comics #21, 1940:

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Black Adam's issue directly refers a story from Golden Age comics

https://ibb.co/n6CzwZv

https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/All-American_Comics_Vol_1_26

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, I mean recently just in the Wonder Woman comic, Superman mentions his super-ventriloquism
https://ibb.co/k6qRBdx

Which only regularly seen in pre-crisis era

https://superman.fandom.com/wiki/Super_Ventriloquism

And Superman recently met pre-crisis Terra-Man, Terra-Man directly says he and superman has their fair share of run-ins
https://ibb.co/zPRRz95
https://ibb.co/54mttpH

This is Pre-Crisis Terra-Man, who is a space cowboy
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/7/76/Tobias_Manning_Earth-One_0001.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20240114140943
This is Post-Crisis Terra-man, who is a Poison Ivy rip-off
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/b/b9/Terra-Man_002.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20091029030619

And then you've The Abominable Snowman(Doctor Phoenix version)
https://ibb.co/cbxL4WV
Who is only has Pre-Crisis appearances before Infinite Frontier(I.E, after Death Metal he was brought back)
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/abominable-snowman/4005-36853/issues-cover/

There are also not-direct related to Superman, but other characters made pre-crisis references examples.
Like Blue Beetle directly referred a pre-crisis comic(1967)
https://ibb.co/jv0YtBn
etcetc

Originally posted by ODG
The irony of you relying on an advertisement for Infinite Frontier #1 when you could just see that Infinite Frontier #1 prominently featured black President Superman. How did his alternate past/history exactly merge into the current timeline where "all damage from Crises were reversed, hurdurdur"? Can I ask that?

When your premise demands absurd results, it's indicative of how absurd your premises were in the first place.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, I don't think it proves
Prime Earth/universe has its histories restored, the Multiverse increased in size because the source wall is moved. What contradiction in here? The only way I can think of is you confusing Prime Earth with the Multiverse...which is obviously wrong, don't you think?
I mean, in your own crapped page, the full dialogue also mentions Wonder Woman's homeworld timeline(singular) is restored, the manipulations to it are undone
https://ibb.co/ZfxCmXs

Or like Snyder said here. The alternate universe Superman isn't the main Superman. However, the if it takes place in the main book/main Superman, then it happened
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQAGmBZPhdQ&t=4648s

I.E, like I said before, it seems you're just trying to confuse the two ideas: all history is restored for the same character. Doesn't mean it include the elseworlds versions which aren't the same character

^ So now you're suggesting easter egg references override 3+ years of the entire DC publication history since Death Metal?

In short, cheeky Easter eggs=/= a single combined timeline?

Once again: you cannot be so stupid. I refuse to believe it. Because despite your continued insistence that all Crises were undone in some inchoate imperceivable way that only you/abhilegend are equipped to decipher/interpret, even you recognize that Superman-1 and Superboy Prime all existed, had their own feats, had their own pasts, and persisted beyond.

Otherwise, how exactly did black President Superman integrate himself into this single timeline??? Just answer the obvious question: he didn't. Because he's an alternate history Superman. Which invariably means, alternate histories exist and were not conglomerated like Darkseid! FFS.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I mean, how many references do you need to be satisfied for comics that are almost half century ago get referred in a 3+ years publications?

Keep mining away though! Don't be discouraged by the forum-wide ridicule abhilegend repeatedly confronts over the fool's gold of Marvel minutiae he peddles and obsesses over.

Although utterly intransigient, you somewhat polite. Not that it infuses your arguments with inherent value, mind you.

Originally posted by ODG
^ So now you're suggesting easter egg references override 3+ years of the entire DC publication history since Death Metal?

In short, cheeky Easter eggs=/= a single combined timeline?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah.

Death Metal made clear it was all one timeline now:

Originally posted by Galan007
Was this posted?

Originally posted by ODG

Once again: you cannot be so stupid. I refuse to believe it. Because despite your continued insistence that all Crises were undone in some inchoate imperceivable way that only you/abhilegend are equipped to decipher/interpret, even you recognize that Superman-1 and Superboy Prime all existed, had their own feats, had their own pasts, and persisted beyond.

Otherwise, how exactly did black President Superman integrate himself into this single timeline??? Just answer the obvious question: he didn't. Because he's an alternate history Superman. Which invariably means, alternate histories exist and were not conglomerated like Darkseid! FFS.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Or like Snyder said here. The alternate universe Superman isn't the main Superman. However, the if it takes place in the main book/main Superman, then it happened
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQAGmBZPhdQ&t=4648s

I.E, like I said before, it seems you're just trying to confuse the two ideas: all history is restored for the same character. Doesn't mean it include the elseworlds versions which aren't the same character

Originally posted by ODG
Needs more than lip-service + your hopes & dreams when 3+ years of DC entire publication history shows otherwise, pal.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
But the single combined timeline was established in Death Metal, no?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Hardly can say the 3+ years of DC publicaton history shows otherwise.

But I dunno. Let's bear down on the absurd results you're demanding of us. Is black President Superman part of this single combined timeline? Lois went blackface once in a pre-Crisis story. I guess we're just waiting for a Easter egg reference where Clark admits he went blackface and is serving as U.S. President in his spare time. Because, according to you, "single combined timeline" right? Right?

So cretinously doltish.

Originally posted by ODG
Have you read the last 3+ years of DC comics? What does on-panel evidence tell you? Heck, what did the near immediate follow-up in Infinite Frontier #0 state on-panel. Does it say a single timeline? Or does it say "countless universes" and "infinite possibilities"? This is straight phucking English:

You ain't fooling anybody. So far you've posted nothing but ads, websites and Easter eggs.

But I dunno. Let's bear down on the absurd results you're demanding of us. Is black President Superman part of this single combined timeline? Lois went blackface once in a pre-Crisis story. I guess we're just waiting for a Easter egg reference where Clark admits he went blackface and is serving as U.S. President in his spare time. Because, according to you, "single combined timeline" right? Right?

So cretinously doltish.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, I don't think it proves
Prime Earth/universe has its histories restored, the Multiverse increased in size because the source wall is moved. What contradiction in here? The only way I can think of is you confusing Prime Earth with the Multiverse...which is obviously wrong, don't you think?
I mean, in your own crapped page, the full dialogue also mentions Wonder Woman's homeworld timeline(singular) is restored, the manipulations to it are undone
https://ibb.co/ZfxCmXs

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Or like Snyder said here. The alternate universe Superman isn't the main Superman. However, the if it takes place in the main book/main Superman, then it happened
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQAGmBZPhdQ&t=4648s

I.E, like I said before, it seems you're just trying to confuse the two ideas: all history is restored for the same character. Doesn't mean it include the elseworlds versions which aren't the same character

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But this is always true, right?

I mean, we have Earth-30 as an example - Red Son Superman. Nobody (I don't think) is saying this Superman:

Is canon to Earth-Prime Superman, right? If people are saying that, then that's wrong.

So we have different timelines, different universes. And their events are not all canon to each other.

I think what qwerty is saying is actually approaching it from a different angle - that 'mainstream/Earth-Prime' Superman (and other characters) have elements/feats/events from Pre-Crisis etc all folded into their 'Prime' timeline.

As for the language thing, he's trying his best, man. His English is better than many native speakers, some of whom graduated from the top carving high schools in the country.

Originally posted by ODG
Every Crisis happened. So, no, not everything was undone.

Where's the proof that all of it wasn't undone? Here's the explicit confirmation from Infinite Frontier that all the crisis events are undone.

You'd know this is you read Infinite Frontier #0 which finally depicted what Wonder Woman actually accomplished in Death Metal. But who are we kidding? You clearly did read Infinite Frontier #0 since it famously heralded the emergence of the multiversal True Form Darkseid in its a final page stinger, so you're just outright lying about sh1t:

Why did you crop the scan where it was outright stated that the timeline manipulation to the universe was undone?

Whatever excuses you'll make about that though are really irrelevant when you think about it. To pretend otherwise would require you to argue that every alternate Batman's history conglomerated into a multiversal True Form Batman. That happened to one character: Darkseid. The single exception which stands in a direct break from your inept myth.

What are you even talking about here retard? Darkseid was fragmented after first crisis, that's why he was restored. Batman's history was restored, he's not some amalgamation.

Are there alternate universes since Death Metal? Yes. Does Hypertime still exist? Yes. Are past histories of marquis characters being actively retconned as we speak by, among others, Mark Waid in World's Finest? Yes.

None of that changes anything from what I said, history was restored of the prime universe. Retcons happen all the time in comics, they don't invalidate entire history of characters.

So wtf are you trying to lie about? You're clawing with torn fingernails to platitudes, promises and taglines that never actually manifested within the library of DC comics in the 3 years since Death Metal concluded.

And that's it. It's the comics.

Listen retard, you think I need your approval to use actual comic history from DC? This isn't a debate to take your approval, it's simply a fact sharing post. Your denial isn't going to change anything.

is odg still going full retard over dc being canon or not? haven't this conversation been happening over 5 times already

repeating the same shit over and over again ain't gonna make you right, weirdo.

i rather have alberto back, at least he was entertaining. odg just seem like mr master with more mental problems

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Hulk vs Thanos

I was going to post this fight. Hulk walking through Thanos blasts and actually stalemating and beating him at the end. This isnt even Hulk most powerful form. Lol... that's easily a skyfather level showing, but KMC, most members are the highest levels of trolls and will downplay Thanos instead of acknowledging Hulks power. Amazing showing for the Hulk. Give Superman this same exact showing and he would be boosted up to abstract levels in the tier thread, lol. All of Hulks showings recently puts him comfortably above trans tier.

Also, Thanos amped with the mond gem couldnt control Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
I was going to post this fight. Hulk walking through Thanos blasts and actually stalemating and beating him at the end. This isnt even Hulk most powerful form. Lol... that's easily a skyfather level showing, but KMC, most members are the highest levels of trolls and will downplay Thanos instead of acknowledging Hulks power. Amazing showing for the Hulk. Give Superman this same exact showing and he would be boosted up to abstract levels in the tier thread, lol. All of Hulks showings recently puts him comfortably above trans tier.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thanos was down on his knees by an attack that blew off a bunch of trees lol. By your logic on DOS Superman, he'd be lucky to be on booster gold level lmao

Lol... that's not how I commented on DOS Superman fight. I said the entire comic was trash, not just one showing. Also, if we are looking at collateral damage like that, you might as well call both Superman and World Forger mid meta. Throw Prime in there as well.

One of Prime hardest fights took place in a cemetery that was still intact afterwards.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... that's not how I commented on DOS Superman fight. I said the entire comic was trash, not just one showing. Also, if we are looking at collateral damage like that, you might as well call both Superman and World Forger mid meta. Throw Prime in there as well.

Originally posted by carver9
[B]The Pillars shouldn't have knocked him out. I'm just surprised you're doubting the comic was plagued with low showings. You can post that one showing all you want, but that doesn't take away from an entire comic portraying these characters in the worst ways they've ever been in comic history.

No taksie backsies carvster.