Originally posted by Adam Grimes
No, I mean your dedication to engage him in debates. It's really wearing and that's considering it's been years since I've gone against him.He's evolved further than even my wildest estimations.
Every time I feel like quitting, I remember that some poor innocent soul like Alberto might get suckered in by Carver's lies.
Originally posted by MrMindI view it as two multiversal feats.
just read last week's comicsflash's multiversal feat against turtle was way more impressive than gladiator and bb vs galactus
but it's overlooked because he's a dc character, typical
The first was beating the Still Force, which was being used by Turtle in a multiversal capacity. The second was speeding up "ALL of time and space."
So here's my hypothesis. It may well be a theory, because it has stood up to every test I've subjected it to so far.
Gladiator vs Galactus (I know, I know).
Surfer outperformed Hell Lords. Black Bolt outperformed Surfer, and he tied ish with Gladiator in their performances against Galactus. I know, Black Bolt was amped, but I still stand by that Galactus wasn't at his peak with Gladiator. Put it this way - the Galactus both Bolt and Glads faced was amped to the same level, only Bolt's energies meant that Galactus was doubled over with diarrhoea when he faced Glads. So relative to each other, Glads' Galactus was weakened compared to Bolt's.
During this time, by the way, Galactus wasn't threatening the universe yet. Glads gets defeated, everyone jumps in, THEN the universe was on the brink.
In short: characters did well against Galactus based on their Effort, or Heart Force. Satannish cried like a bytch, Surfer tried a tiny bit, Bolt and Glads gave it their all, and the army were fired up by Glads' sacrifice.
Just like Strange intended.
IOW, it wasn't solely to do with their power levels, but the effort they put into it. Which ties back to science being warped.
Now remember. This is a discussion thread on a debate forum. Saying I'm wrong without giving reasons, or that I'm just a hater, or low balling, isn't debating or discussing.
But feel free to poke holes in my hypothesis.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilEven if there were no extenuating circumstances behind the feat, one showing of this magnitude in Gladiator's 40+ year character history is hardly enough to slingshot him up the tiers.
the feat absolutely puts Glads at trans tier, you hating on it doesn't change that fact
That's the thing.
We all have seen the one offs. A meta can take out a herald of Galactus. A street can take out heralds. A race of space insects can take out a Skyfather.
What people don't get is that it's either outright rejected as PIS, or we have fun discussing it. The storyline hasn't even concluded, in any case.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85If Gladiator starts operating at this level on any sort of consistent basis, then sure, we might consider moving him up the tiers. But one feat like this in four decades? Yeah, it's more of an outlier than anything.
That's the thing.We all have seen the one offs. A meta can take out a herald of Galactus. A street can take out heralds. A race of space insects can take out a Skyfather.
What people don't get is that it's either outright rejected as PIS, or we have fun discussing it. The storyline hasn't even concluded, in any case.
I'm not trying to diminish the feat, however. Regardless of the conditions surrounding it, I still think this showing is easily the best of Gladiator's career. Just saying that it doesn't counterbalance his previous history.
Originally posted by Galan007
If Gladiator starts operating at this level on any sort of consistent basis, then sure, we might consider moving him up the tiers. But one feat like this in four decades? Yeah, it's more of an outlier than anything.I'm not trying to diminish the feat, however. Regardless of the conditions surrounding it, I still think this showing is easily the best of Gladiator's career. Just saying that it doesn't counterbalance his previous history.
Thanos also deemed him as the most dangerous of the Annihilators. He held his own against the Phoenix 5 as well. He have some fts but this ft is pretty huge, so I see what you're saying.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
the feat absolutely puts Glads at trans tier, you hating on it doesn't change that fact
Lol... it puts him far above trans tier. He outperformed a Hell Lord and Galactus during that time was consuming the universe (even before feeding off the energy from powerful beings).