Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Originally posted by darthgoober
Supes get's better showings then those guys on average, hands down. The only reason I gave them better odds than Supes against Surfer is because they lack exploitable weaknesses that Surfer can capitalize on. It wasn't about Captain Marvel being more powerful than Supes or anything like that.

Well then that's silly because I gave a specific example of how I personally apply the logic to other characters.

Mind you, Superman has far more showings where he overcomes his weaknesses rather than he succumbs to it. But hey, how averagely does Surfer uses weakness exploitation? Once a decade? Twice?

If by logic you mean your bias, sure.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So Surfer gets weakness exploitation on average then? And Superman loses due to weakness exploitation on average?

Mind you, Superman has far more showings where he overcomes his weaknesses rather than he succumbs to it. But hey, how averagely does Surfer uses weakness exploitation? Once a decade? Twice?

If by logic you mean your bias, sure.

And yes, I know Supes frequently overcomes his weaknesses but they do still exist and can have serous negative impacts upon his performance.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Virtually everyone gets weakness exploitation when it's a viable option for them in a forum fight IMO. I don't care of Kilowog has ever specifically drained the gamma energy an opponent in a comic, I think he'd at least try the tactic against Hulk in a forum fight. I don't care if Takion has ever screwed up someone's connection to the Power Primordial, I think he'd give it a go if he were up against the Collector... and before you ask all smuggly, yeah I think he'd try to do the same thing with Surfer and the Power Cosmic.

Mind posting a single quote of this "fairness" you are stating here. Because despite Surfer's piss poor record against draining (far worse than Superman actually) you have never considered Surfer losing due to draining energy weakness.

And yes, I know Supes frequently overcomes his weaknesses but they do still exist and can have serous negative impacts upon his performance.

But his average is that he overcomes his weaknesses, not succumbs to them. How many times you think a herald level character has beaten Superman by energy draining? I can count those on one hand probably, in last 20 years.

So how does Surfer "averagely" beats Superman because "weakness exploitation"?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Mind posting a single quote of this "fairness" you are stating here.

But his average is that he overcomes his weaknesses, not succumbs to them. How many times you think a herald level character has beaten Superman by energy draining? I can count those on one hand probably, in last 20 years.

So how does Surfer "averagely" beats Superman because "weakness exploitation"?

Yeah he overcomes his weakness and beats the villain on average... that's the nature of comics... heroes win in the end. When I give someone like Surfer the win over someone like Supes, I'm not trying to suggest that Surfer would win by any one thing energy drain alone. I see it as situation where Supes is stuck in a fight where he's simply forced to fight at sub par levels. This isn't a comic where once he's weakened his opponent is going to monologue or try to stick him in restraints and keep him indefinitely, it's a fight where both guys know from the outset that it will only end with one of them being out of commission so an opponent who puts Supes on the ropes even momentarily via weakness exploitation will press his advantage.

Anyway, this isn't about Supes vs Surfer.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Not sure what kind of quote you're asking for, you're going to have to better explain what you're looking for.

Just one instance where you acknowledge Surfer's piss poor record against energy draining.

Yeah he overcomes his weakness and beats the villain on average... that's the nature of comics... heroes win in the end. When I give someone like Surfer the win over someone like Supes, I'm not trying to suggest that Surfer would win by any one thing energy drain alone. I see it as situation where Supes is stuck in a fight where he's simply forced to fight at sub par levels.

Why sub par level? Superman just recharges instantly under sunlight or even cosmic radiation.

Superman doesn't just gets magically weaker and stays at that level.

This isn't a comic where once he's weakened his opponent is going to monologue or try to stick him in restraints and keep him indefinitely, it's a fight where both guys know from the outset that it will only end with one of them being out of commission so an opponent who puts Supes on the ropes even momentarily via weakness exploitation will press his advantage.

Vice versa, Superman isn't just standing there to be drained. He will blitz on the very first time Surfer tries to drain him if you want to go there.

And Surfer is no match for Superman in speed.

Anyway, this isn't about Supes vs Surfer.

Sure, but that's just most fun.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Just one instance where you acknowledge Surfer's piss poor record against energy draining.

Why sub par level? Superman just recharges instantly under sunlight or even cosmic radiation.

Superman doesn't just gets magically weaker and stays at that level.

Vice versa, Superman isn't just standing there to be drained. He will blitz on the very first time Surfer tries to drain him if you want to go there.

And Surfer is no match for Superman in speed.

Sure, but that's just most fun.

But yeah, I'm not going to debate Supes vs Surfer here.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not looking though all my old debates for anything that specific lol. But have have no problem acknowledging that it's happened quite a few times. I don't find most of them particularly relevant in most forum fights because of context, but it has happened multiple times. And if it makes you feel better, I also don't have a problem acknowledging that WHEN it happens successfully, Surfer generally looks weaker than Supes does when someone successfully drains him.

But yeah, I'm not going to debate Supes vs Surfer here.

You realize that Surfer is powered by starlight and Superman has drained starlight/sunlight forcibly from characters and even an Anti sun?

And yet, whenever a GL is in debate, you argue Surfer drains him despite GLs also having a better record against draining than Surfer?

I wonder why.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So you're saying that despite Surfer on average being more susceptible to energy drain than Superman, it's Surfer who drains Superman?

You realize that Surfer is powered by starlight and Superman has drained starlight/sunlight forcibly from characters and even an Anti sun?

And yet, whenever a GL is in debate, you argue Surfer drains him despite GLs also having a better record against draining than Surfer?

I wonder why.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Find someone else to talk at about why you think Supes is the most powerful character ever and Surfer loses to everyone over Booster Gold's level in DC.

😂

Originally posted by -Pr-
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Originally posted by darthgoober
Is that genuine laughter or an ironic laughter because I seem hypocritical. I can totally take the criticism if that's what it is, I'm just curious as to how all this is coming off to those on the outside lol

Oh, 100% genuine. Abhi's Surfer hate amuses.

Goober - as hard to believe this is, it has nothing to do with this talk, but since I caught you here -- would you be willing/when would you have time for a Superman vs Surfer forum fight battlezone?

Originally posted by Philosophía
Goober - as hard to believe this is, it has nothing to do with this talk, but since I caught you here -- would you be willing/when would you have time for a Superman vs Surfer forum fight battlezone?

Well, that's disappointing since you're the only one I want for this.

Well... If you ever want, let me know.

Anyway... Second issue of Hickman's x-men is out and we're already going through timeliness.

Interesting to see Nimrod in front again.

Anybody have thoughts/theories? A bit early, I know.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Well, that's disappointing since you're the only one I want for this.

Well... If you ever want, let me know.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Find someone else to talk at about why you think Supes is the most powerful character ever and Surfer loses to everyone over Booster Gold's level in DC.

Lmfao that's gd mic drop

Anyway...

Spoiler:
So professor X is the Maker right? And those sacks were like clones of the x-people Hickman brought back? Is this poetic justice? That Hickman is bringing back characters Bendis killed--with another creation of Bendis?

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm saying those things that I've specifically said, any extrapolations or strawmen you draw beyond that are totally your own. You're trying to debate something that's off topic and not on the table so I'm not indulging that line of discussion any further. Find someone else to talk at about why you think Supes is the most powerful character ever and Surfer loses to everyone over Booster Gold's level in DC.

Ok, just remember to use this average thing to everyone.

It's been said across the internet that Hulk one shot killed an evil version of One Above All. How do you all feel about that (hoping others reply. DIFFERENT others)?

What...?