Now we back to where we start, Another "Is Superman destroying a multiverse anvil or koed WF put this feat multiversal?", Did you guys ever felt tired for arguing this feat over and over again
BTW, His words contradicating Snyder's "fully developd/realized reality" part
Also I really feel sorry for the writer/editor, They been chasing and asking the same question over and over again just because some people take a fictional character too serious
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
So when he actually clarify what he actually meant it seems with Superman knocking out world forger and stopped him from finishing his multiverse it just crumbled from being unstable not that Superman destroyed it with his powerThis his LATEST tweet... Superman did technically cause WF's Multiverse to crumble... By destroying the Future JL's Planet...
So his punch only destroyed a planet.For some reason the World Forger need Superman and the JL to agree with his plan so he could anchor this new Multiverse and have it replace the current one. That’s why he need asked Batman to change their minds cause he knew Superman would never agree to it. That in itself shows that the new Multiverse was not stable
was never wrong. context is there clear as day, andrew's blatantly spelling it out for those that got common sense
Just wait for a few days when he again changes his stance.
He's an editor. Since when do we take an editor's word over the writer's. You think any editor could explain what Grant Morrison had in mind in Doom Patrol?
And even then, the writer themselves can't contradict something they put on the page. Snyder can say it wasn't multiversal all he wants, but if that's how the page comes across, that's what it is. What's written in the page is god on the boards, even above the words of the writer who wrote them in some interview (Or can we use Joe Casey claiming Superman could have beaten down Imperiex Prime?)
Originally posted by cdtm
And he destroyed that anvil used to create universes.No real spinning the fact he put WF on his ass, or broke his multiversal tier stuff.
You REALLY think the entire multiverse was inside the anvil and it was just gonna bust out after being struck?
The multiverse was already on the verge of replacing the main one. That was the whole point of myx getting rid of the old. do you know what planes of existence are?
you either missed or didn't get this:
Originally posted by abhilegend
Comicvine denial is a thing of beauty.https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/sun-dipped-superman-confirmed-multiversal-2037931/
😂
Vsbattle isn't much better:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:2878224
Dreaming Serpent
Yeah and although that hurt the World Forger, it didn't knock him out. Any attack like that would have completely obliterated 90% of Superman's Opponents. He was fused by an uncountable amount of Stars from the 6th Dimension. Higher then the reality beyond the main DC Multiverse and higher beyond the realm beyond that. An attack that I'm sure would have crippled an OP Darkseid no doubt.
So about that planet he destroyed while completely weakened? The 6d one? Or is it only 6d suns that are OP, and 6d planets especially brittle?
Originally posted by cdtm
Vsbattle isn't much better:
Originally posted by playa1258
All of Superman's feats are outliers.Just remember that.
Originally posted by darthgoober
TBF, Supes prob has more appearances than anyone else in comics. Spider-man and Batman are probably the only characters who can even come close to him. When one has that many appearances, there can be a LOT of outliers because an outlier is based upon the level he's his portrayed at in ALL those appearances. If a character has 3,000 relevant canon appearances(and Supes has a lot more), you could theoretically throw out 300 of them as outliers and only lose 1% of his appearances.
So pretty much outlier ahoy, eh?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Remind us how many appearances Silver Surfer has and how many times he has created a black hole (1 time), Kryptonite (0 times), red suns(0 times) and destroyed a planet (3 times).So pretty much outlier ahoy, eh?
Originally posted by darthgoober
Did I say anything about the repetition of specific feats(which is totally dependent upon the stories being told), or did I simply talk about the general level at which a character is portrayed?
Does Silver Surfer creates red sun radiation or Kryptonite in average portrayals because there are literally hundreds of threads where you've used that against Superman.
And Radion against New gods.
And my favorite, chronal blasts against Majestic.
This is fun.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Humor me again, does this "average portrayal" works only for Superman or also for your favorite Silver Surfer?Does Silver Surfer creates red sun radiation or Kryptonite in average portrayals because there are literally hundreds of threads where you've used that against Superman.
And Radion against New gods.
And my favorite, chronal blasts against Majestic.
This is fun.
Also just so it's clear, I'm not arguing for OR against the validity of anything that happened between Supes and WF, I'm simply addressing the notion that it's wrong to throw out a large number of feats as outliers even if the character in question has appearances out the wazoo. I'm discussing logic in debates here, not any particular comic or character.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Nope the "average portrayal" thing goes for everyone. You're trying to shift the discussion into something it's not though, because again... I'm not talking about specific feats needing to be repeated. I'm no no way suggesting that Supes needs to do an exact repeat of the whole WF thing multiple times every year to support his ability to do so. I'm talking about general levels in portrayals, not specific feats. Spider-Man has numerous instances of taking on or even taking down herald level characters. But in order for me(personally) to consider him herald level it wouldn't matter if he beat Firelord's ass 3 times in a single year, he'd need to be portrayed at that level more often than not in all his relevant appearances.
Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
How many wins out of ten1. Superman
2. Orion
3. Captain Marvel
4. Lobo
5. Martian Manhunter
6. Captain Atom
7. Wonder Woman
8. Bizzaro
Originally posted by darthgoober
1. 8-9
2. 6-7
3. 6-7
4. 6-7(unless we're talking about Lobo with the blood cloning)
5. 9-10
6. 8-9
7. 8
8. 8-9
Who do you think gets better showings on average?
Originally posted by darthgoober
Also just so it's clear, I'm not arguing for OR against the validity of anything that happened between Supes and WF, I'm simply addressing the notion that it's wrong to throw out a large number of feats as outliers even if the character in question has appearances out the wazoo. I'm discussing logic in debates here, not any particular comic or character.
I wonder why.
Originally posted by abhilegend
One last time then, is Surfer shown on average taking 8-9/10 against Superman? You think he averages less than Captain Marvel, Lobo and Orion?Who do you think gets better showings on average?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Strangely I don't think this is targeted on anyone else other than Superman.I wonder why.