Originally posted by -Pr-I think the problem comes that people are assuming the LBGT backlash is just this generations case of new guard replacing old. But it isnt. The new generation dont like this stuff either so the real question is
They'd rather talk about how woke they are instead of understanding the fact that being "woke" isn't a substitute for being a good writer.You want to hire the gayest/transest/brownest person to write your comics? Go right ahead, but they need to be able to WRITE the comics.
One needs to only look at the recent Iceman series, which even had gay readers shitting all over it.
And that's without getting in to the whole "trying to find an audience that's never going to buy your stuff" argument.
"Recently, DC co-President Dan DiDio publicly fumed that reissues of comics 30 and 40 years old were outselling current stories featuring the same characters, calling that a "failure on us." Echoing his predecessor's warning from years past, he added, "We should be focused on moving things forward, always pushing the boundaries and finding new stories to tell. That's how we'll survive and grow this industry."
No shit, Dan. You're greenlighting garbage like Female Furies and you're surprised that people would rather read decades-old material? Lmao.
Originally posted by HueyFreeman
the real question is
"WHO IS THIS FOR?"
Originally posted by HueyFreeman
I think the problem comes that people are assuming the LBGT backlash is just this generations case of new guard replacing old. But it isnt. The new generation dont like this stuff either so the real question is
"WHO IS THIS FOR?"
For the audience they think is out there for their shit. They don't get that nerds are always going to be their primary audience. Or they get it, but refuse to accept it.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I mean...I'm not even sure why it's an issue.If I've just seen Batfleck, for example, in a film....I'd want to go read DKR. Maybe Hush. Killing Joke. Doesn't mean anything, you're literally comparing last week's or last months issues with gold standard classics that have stood the test of time.
The problem is the ever-widening gap between now and the last time there were any real "classics". At least imo. There are some characters that yeah, do have really good arcs, but when was the last truly great, character defining arc? There's very little in the last five or even ten years that will be ranked alongside the greats, imo.
Originally posted by Galan007
"Recently, DC co-President Dan DiDio publicly fumed that reissues of comics 30 and 40 years old were outselling current stories featuring the same characters, calling that a "failure on us." Echoing his predecessor's warning from years past, he added, "We should be focused on moving things forward, always pushing the boundaries and finding new stories to tell. That's how we'll survive and grow this industry."No shit, Dan. You're greenlighting garbage like Female Furies and you're surprised that people would rather read decades-old material? Lmao.
PM that to Golgo, I dare you.
It's amazing how much more I enjoy Marvel comic day without Jason Aaron's Thor series. It's like it's a poison that spreads to every other issue it comes out with.
Very curious to see where Hickman is going with X-Men though. It seems he wanks Magneto hard and then Apocalypse even harder so that's a good sign for now. I know he's huge on tech so we'll likely get a lot of Nimrod wank too.
Not sold on Xavier though.
Originally posted by -Pr-
The problem is the ever-widening gap between now and the last time there were any real "classics". At least imo. There are some characters that yeah, do have really good arcs, but when was the last truly great, character defining arc? There's very little in the last five or even ten years that will be ranked alongside the greats, imo.
Hickman's Fantastic Four is the only answer that comes to mind in a 10 year gap.
Originally posted by One Big MobHm, haven't seen enough of Apocalypse on panel to see what he thinks of him in terms of personal power [i.e. not resources/prep & horsemen]. It's clear he's trying to use all the main X-villains [Mags, Apoc, Nimrod -- probably even Sinister], so we'll see where all that goes.
It's amazing how much more I enjoy Marvel comic day without Jason Aaron's Thor series. It's like it's a poison that spreads to every other issue it comes out with.Very curious to see where Hickman is going with X-Men though. It seems he wanks Magneto hard and then Apocalypse even harder so that's a good sign for now. I know he's huge on tech so we'll likely get a lot of Nimrod wank too.
Not sold on Xavier though.
The fact that he has read all of the X-Men comics makes me hopeful.
Originally posted by -Pr-As said, Hickman [who I know you don't like currently, but maybe later on 😛] and Multiversity [but it's not really 'character' defining, and it's not necessarily for everyone] but other than that -- yeah. Geoff Johns' GL [say what you will, but it will be definite], Annihilation etc. are unfortunately long gone.
The problem is the ever-widening gap between now and the last time there were any real "classics". At least imo. There are some characters that yeah, do have really good arcs, but when was the last truly great, character defining arc? There's very little in the last five or even ten years that will be ranked alongside the greats, imo.
Originally posted by Bentley
Hickman's Fantastic Four is the only answer that comes to mind in a 10 year gap.
I haven't read it, but given that I've never really read Fantastic Four much, it seems like a good place to start. Is it just a straight run of issues, or are there tie-ins?
Originally posted by Philosophía
Hm, haven't seen enough of Apocalypse on panel to see what he thinks of him in terms of personal power [i.e. not resources/prep & horsemen]. It's clear he's trying to use all the main X-villains [Mags, Apoc, Nimrod -- probably even Sinister], so we'll see where all that goes.The fact that he has read all of the X-Men comics makes me hopeful.
As said, Hickman [who I know you don't like currently, but maybe later on 😛] and Multiversity [but it's not really 'character' defining, and it's not necessarily for everyone] but other than that -- yeah. Geoff Johns' GL [say what you will, but it will be definite], Annihilation etc. are unfortunately long gone.
I've read all three issues, and I honestly don't think it's bad (bar that weird scene between Cyclops and the F4). Hickman obviously knows his stuff, and he has big plans in mind. It's not what I would have done, no (and I think the whole Moira thing was a mistake), but I can respect the man's talent. I expect it all to get nuked to kingdom come at some point anyway during his run.
My main issue with it all is that I just don't think it's the fresh start that the X-Books needed.
Originally posted by -Pr-FF:
I haven't read it, but given that I've never really read Fantastic Four much, it seems like a good place to start. Is it just a straight run of issues, or are there tie-ins?
After that [immediately after, tbh] read this, the Avengers run:
https://www.howtolovecomics.com/2015/04/06/jonathan-hickman-avengers-reading-guide/
Originally posted by -Pr-We'll see.
I've read all three issues, and I honestly don't think it's bad (bar that weird scene between Cyclops and the F4). Hickman obviously knows his stuff, and he has big plans in mind. It's not what I would have done, no (and I think the whole Moira thing was a mistake), but I can respect the man's talent. I expect it all to get nuked to kingdom come at some point anyway during his run.My main issue with it all is that I just don't think it's the fresh start that the X-Books needed.
As complicated as it might become, I get the feel that he wants to streamline everything and make it all clearer [he was even frustrated when he read the back issues, saying that everything is just randomly told, until the next writer comes and wipes it all clean -- a clusterf*ck in other words].
Originally posted by Philosophía
FF:
https://leagueofcomicgeeks.com/profile/hasanturkoglu/lists/2196/jonathan-hickmans-fantastic-four-ff-reading-orderAfter that [immediately after, tbh] read this, the Avengers run:
https://www.howtolovecomics.com/2015/04/06/jonathan-hickman-avengers-reading-guide/We'll see.
As complicated as it might become, I get the feel that he wants to streamline everything and make it all clearer [he was even frustrated when he read the back issues, saying that everything is just randomly told, until the next writer comes and wipes it all clean -- a clusterf*ck in other words].
Thanks for the links.
And yeah, it does feel like it's going somewhere; that's part of why I want to keep with it. And it is nice to see X-Men being written by someone that's a big step up from what we were getting with the Blue, Red and Gold books.
I've picked up Fantastic Four books here and there because I like the characters ad the quirky gallery of rogues… But most of their comics are sh_t. It struggles between Hulk level and Captain America level crap. Hickman really told a real Fantastic Four story that made sense, expanded the mythos and helped to build the identity of the team.