Originally posted by DarkSaint85
..surely the fact that BANNER created a puzzle he couldn't solve, is more of an issue?
Bingo. This would suggest that Banner is smarter than them all which is ridiculous.
Originally posted by Bentley
Valeria is and has been smarter than Reed for years now, don't know what's shocking or badly written about that
Valeria's intelligence is a fine. My issue is with Moon Girl. That's the bad writing.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Bingo. This would suggest that Banner is smarter than them all which is ridiculous.Valeria's intelligence is a fine. My issue is with Moon Girl. That's the bad writing.
I'm fine with Valeria and Moon Girl both being smarter. This Banner thing though....It's a recent push, way back from when Pak was writing him using codes Reed couldn't break. IMO, Banner isn't even top 5, yet here he is with puzzles etc.
Originally posted by Bentley
I'd need scans to make sense of that but it's actually rather simple to engage into a scientific problem that you cannot solve if you lack one of the mathematical elements to prove it, so theoretically Banner could make a puzzle using a principle he doesn't fully understand
Agreed...But this is Reed, and comic science. He's probably invented branches of maths on his own....
Doom and Reed consistently have the highest achievements, accomplishing things that Valerie or Moon Girl wouldn't be able to do until she's researched and experienced more in life.
The top genius on Earth has virtually always been unanimously agreed upon within the context of the marvel universe.
Fans may have argued, it's been a widely confirmed fact on Marvel Earth, ever since Stan Lee first penned the books, that Reed Richards and Victor Von Doom are the smartest two minds on Earth.
Reed most brilliant mind on earth if not all human history:
widely known as Worlds greatest mind
Doom equaled Only by Reed Richards, but otherwise the most brilliant mind in his own right. From Stan Lee's era on up, they've always been the top tier
Reed's mind, after going back in time, was used as a template for the entire fabric of the universe, before the big bang
Every piece of knowledge, everything everyone else studies or tries to comprehend, came from Reed Richard's. So it's really nothing short of a contradiction for anyone to have have higher level of comprehension than Reed, when everything in the universe started from him
The notion of another human being being smarter than Reed or Doom simply contradicts decades of history. Not simply because they were previously stated to be smarter, but because their intelligence has shown to be infinite, dealing regularly with universe scale, or multiversal situations. Literally infinitely complex scenarios.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Doom and Reed consistently have the highest achievements, accomplishing things that Valerie or Moon Girl wouldn't be able to do until she's researched and experienced more in life.The top genius on Earth has virtually always been unanimously agreed upon within the context of the marvel universe.
Fans may have argued, it's been a widely confirmed fact on Marvel Earth, ever since Stan Lee first penned the books, that Reed Richards and Victor Von Doom are the smartest two minds on Earth.Reed most brilliant mind on earth if not all human history:
widely known as Worlds greatest mind
Doom equaled Only by Reed Richards, but otherwise the most brilliant mind in his own right. From Stan Lee's era on up, they've always been the top tier
Reed's mind, after going back in time, was used as a template for the entire fabric of the universe, before the big bang
Every piece of knowledge, everything everyone else studies or tries to comprehend, came from Reed Richard's. So it's really nothing short of a contradiction for anyone to have have higher level of comprehension than Reed, when everything in the universe started from him
The notion of another human being being smarter than Reed or Doom simply contradicts decades of history. Not simply because they were previously stated to be smarter, but because their intelligence has shown to be infinite, dealing regularly with universe scale, or multiversal situations. Literally infinitely complex scenarios.
Amazing.
So based on this, Banner gets cut some slack because......?
Agreed with DS on the Banner push. I don't mind him being smart, like how beast is smart or Parker or what have you. But this Pam nonsense is kinda hard to believe. Especially when I think of marvels top five he doesn't make the list.
Moon Girls issue isn't that she's smarter than Reed it's the casual in your face aspect of it and blatant disregard for her predecessors that make it shitty writing.
Also depends what kind of smarts we're taking about... Because according to Reed himself, Tony has him beat in a few areas as well...
Here Reed states that he is only 'fractionally' smarter than Tony where single tasks are concerned, but goes on to say that Tony is the smartest there is when multiple tasks need addressed simultaneously:
"Mister Stark, on the other hand, is this world's greatest multitasker..."
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This is likely why Tony was able to school Reed at multiple games of chess simultaneously:
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Reed later says that Tony is also the best builder there is. Period.:
"There's no one --absolutely NO ONE-- who can do the things he does. If we're talking about building, well, then we should be taking our best builder."
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In fact, Tony hypothesized that the only reason Reed is fractionally smarter than himself is because Reed's powers allow him to 'cheat' and make his brain(and intellect) physically larger as it suits him: