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Originally posted by Diesldude
I didn’t want to get into it, said it multiple time and I got dragged in smh.Last post in response to the multiversal punch.
The alt league dematerialized but the multiverse blinked away? Why the diffference? The alt league was outside of the other multiverse like the kid Martian they should have survived. We are also shown panes of the multiverse getting destroyed. As to why the main stream league didn’t die? Superman isn't going to kill his team. They needed to stop WF from replacing the multiverse and Superman made sure that he can’t try this again. 👆 my last post on this.
Eh? I'm trying to describe how the alt league went away. Dematerialize, fade away, vanish, wutever.... Or if you wanna use on-panel, "blink out of reality"... You can even say it "collapsed" as WF himself described it.
Which leads me to Shayne. The same panel where WF mentions his "multiverse collapsing", he actually explained the reason why Shayne survived and all the other living beings from his multiverse did not.
Shayne believed the league(true justice league) so much, he survived the "collapse" of wf's multiverse. Thats why I kept pointing out how his connection to the real league and then him surviving was quite poetic.
And again apart from some panels where the alt league seem to dematerialize, we don't really see how WF's multiverse was destroyed in regards to how it was portrayed artistically. We know it was because WF tells Clark he destroyed his "masterpiece".
So all in all yes, superman destroyed his multiverse. How? He socked wf right in the eye as he was swinging his hammer down on the crisis anvil. When wf was taken down and his crisis anvil seemingly destroyed, his multiverse ceased to exist. It "blinked out of reality". Shane survived because of power of belief. *shrug* (very poetic)
As for claims of shockwaves blowing wf's multiverse, well... Ive already explained all that. Attributing shockwaves as the reason a multiverse gets destroyed is just so cringey to me because you'd have to miss so many things or turn a blind eye to what was presented.
So basically there is still no real proof to support it isn't a multiverse punch idea, Only speculations right?At least, At this point we only see Superman koed WF and destroyed his multiverse. So we take the feat is what it is
Like PR said, nobody debunked anything. DC says the feat is what it is, so we take it as it is whether we like it or not.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So basically there still no real proofs to support it isn't a multiverse punch idea, Only speculations right?At least, At this point we only see Superman koed WF and destroyed his multiverse. So we take the feat is what it is
Like PR said, nobody debunked anything. DC says the feat is what it is, so we take it as it is whether we like it or not.
What do u mean by "mutiverse punch"? He punched a multiverse and it blew up?
As for debunk.. What was debunked? Supes punched wf while he was in the process of supplanting the current multiverse with his. Wf's multiverse "blinked out of reality" when that process was ended abruptly. So the feat is what it is.
If someone is claiming the multiverse blew up from shockwaves then thats the part where I have a disconnect. One would literally turn a blind eye to key parts of what was presented if they thought wf's multiverse blew up simply from shockwaves.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Superman koed WF and destroyed his multiverse this is what the feat is.
The fact that Shayne literally survived because of his belief in the league should already ring alarm bells in the head, signalling that something more esoteric than just shockwaves destroyed the multiverse.What do u mean by "mutiverse punch"? He punched a multiverse and it blew up?
As for debunk.. What was debunked? Supes punched wf while he was in the process of supplanting the current multiverse with his. Wf's multiverse "blinked out of reality" when that process was ended abruptly. So the feat is what it is.If someone is claiming the multiverse blew up from shockwaves then thats the part where I have a disconnect. One would literally turn a blind eye to key parts of what was presented if they thought wf's multiverse blew up simply from shockwaves.
Wf's multiverse "blinked out of reality" when that process was ended abruptly
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's exactly what happened. Forger's created universe don't self destruct. They decay and fall into dark multiverse where Barbatos destroys them. But Barbatos is chained and the multiverse didn't go into the dark multiverse. The only conclusion which is supported by Forger's words is that Superman destroyed it.Anything else is fanfiction.
You lost there as well. Still butthurt over it?
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So basically there is still no real proof to support it isn't a multiverse punch idea, Only speculations right?At least, At this point we only see Superman koed WF and destroyed his multiverse. So we take the feat is what it is
Like PR said, nobody debunked anything. DC says the feat is what it is, so we take it as it is whether we like it or not.
I'll believe that when i see dc themselves confirm that
The JL would be destroyed if the did put their hopes and dreams into the WF new Multiverse. Until the hammer strikes the Anvil the new Multiverse is not complete/stable.
THE point is the new Multiverse is not complete it was an idea. Physical form is not achieved until the WF strikes the Anvil AS he says it here :
He alluded to them being destroyed here
If the new Multiverse is not what the hope for they do not have a place
So when the souls are transferred they die
He wanted to “Save” the JL. Hence why he tried to have them “team up” with him. The hammer was not ready to strike the Anvil yet. There seems to be a time requirement on that. He wanted Batman to rewrite the memory of the JL to force them them to hope for his new Multiverse. That way they have a place there. As he said when talking to Batman. If they don’t accept it there is no place for them. Hence they would be destroyed.
SO Like he said he creates form from idea and hammers them into existence.
He CHOSE this Multiverse because it was the only one where they survived the Judges. This was not how the current JL thinks(idea) that justice should be. You know preemptive strikes basically. So they didn’t have a place in the new Multiverse
period. irrefutable. Keep your speculations and fan fiction to yourself
The JL would be destroyed if the did put their hopes and dreams into the WF new Multiverse. Until the hammer strikes the Anvil the new Multiverse is not complete/stable.
Originally posted by abhilegend
1. He was trying to replace the deleted multiverse (which was supposed to be done by Mxy)
2. Multiverse was already completed (it had hundreds of dimensions, Apokolips and hypertime already)3. The strike was only to descend the newly created multiverse
It had no other meaning. Like I said, stop wasting my time.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Superman koed WF and destroyed his multiverse this is what the feat is.
And by destroying i mean he destroyed wf's multi from stopping the process by which wf was having his multiverse descend upon the current one.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
No, The comics never stated it.
And for turn a blind eye part. We've seen WF's creation wouldn't cease to exist because he hasn't descended it to DCU, WF needs his pet(Barbatos) to consume those unstable universes(Not to mention that During the sixth dimension arc, WF was using the multiverse that constructed by stable universes to replace the main multiverse) per Scott Snyder
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Dark-Nights-Metal/Issue-4?id=127004#17
For your inference to have happened, you would have to accede that the shockwaves from the punch propageted through multiple infinities/dimensions, have had to pick and choose who to kill and what to destroy, and propagated through the entirety of the new multiverse within approximately 1 second. Or was it a simpler outcome though esoteric in reasoning, is backed by on-panel descriptions? The multiverse simply winked out of existence as soon as the wf was stopped from striking the crisis anvil.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Why "blinked away" or "collapsing" makes Superman didn't directly destroy the multiverse?
No one is saying Supe's didnt destroy wf's multiverse. Obviously it's gone. We literally have someone saying it winked out. We even have wf stating that Shayne survived the "collapsing" of his multiverse.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17No, You're the one who playing word games with your stipulation.You consistently using "Blinked out" and "collapsing" But neither of those two words can prove Superman indirectly destroyed his multiverse.
Ure almost playing word games with your stipulation. By that same token, i can ask where did it say Superman's punch destroyed a multiverse from shockwaves.
Originally posted by abhilegendIt has been consistently portrayed that those universes were consumed by Barbatos and returned to the forge, They wouldn't suddenly cease to exist
That's exactly what happened. Forger's created universe don't self destruct. They decay and fall into dark multiverse where Barbatos destroys them. But Barbatos is chained and the multiverse didn't go into the dark multiverse. The only conclusion which is supported by Forger's words is that Superman destroyed it.Anything else is fanfiction.
You lost there as well. Still butthurt over it?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I dont know what happened to his new multiverse. No one does.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Why "blinked away" or "collapsing" makes Superman didn't directly destroy the multiverse?
"Blinked out"was describing the multiverse suddenly gets destroyed and "collapsing" was describing something crumbled(to break, or cause something to break, into small pieces) suddenly, Neither is a solid proof to prove Superman indirecly destroyed his multiverse.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
No, You're the one who playing word games with your stipulation.You consistently using "Blinked out" and "collapsing" But neither of those two words can prove Superman indirectly destroyed his multiverse. "Blinked out"was describing the multiverse suddenly gets destroyed and "collapsing" was describing something crumbled(to break, or cause something to break, into small pieces) suddenly
The universes that WF created wouldn't suddenly ceast to exisit, That is why the Dark multiverse rising and resulting Dark Nights Metal
"Yes,But the dragon, a being who knew only destruction......And thus, Worlds that should have been dissolved LIVED ON, And the forge began to darken"
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Dark-Nights-Metal/Issue-4?id=127004#17
"Those that might last, I usher toward reality. Those I deem unstable, I return to the forge"
https://ibb.co/j6QGcPv
It has been consistently portrayed that those universes were consumed by Barbatos and returned to the forge, They wouldn't suddenly cease to exist
See what I mean?The universes that WF created wouldn't suddenly self-destruct is the key point and direct cause of JL problems, It has logical reason in there
Besides, We actually have seen Superman's punch causing a shockwave and it killing the alt JL and spreading out
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Justice-League-2018/Issue-25?id=156396#22
And in terms of us seeing a shockwave, yes there was one. It showed the destruction of a large portion of the planet they were fighting on and the seeming dematerializing of some of the alt justice league. Thats it. As to the rest of wf's multiverse, most would reach the conclusion that those lives complete with their own histories are gone too. Based of course on the on-panel statements of wf and Shayne.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
That is the point, We don't know whether it got destroyed was due to Superman destroyed the anvil or not. We only knew Superman koed WF and obliterated his anvil, And his multiverse was effectively destroyed.So at this point, It was a punch that destroyed multiverse, Maybe one day the DC will give us explanations, But for now, Any other statement that made by other people just speculations. [/B]
If I can describe it to you and to whoever else visually, I'd paint it this way. Imagine that part of the 6th dimension where they had fought on complete with its own cosmos is a canvas. It's the canvas to which wf built his new multiverse on. There he painted on lives, histories, places, and things. After the events of that arc, what he created on that canvas was basically erased for whatever reason. The canvas is still there albeit a bit smudged(crater), but the artwork was fundamentally removed.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
"Binked out of reality in a second" is not conducive to how you think wf's multiverse was destroyed. It just isn't. Hard to reconcile a multiverse blinking out of reality in a second from a shockwave that had to propagate through multiple infinities, while being selective on what destroy. Honestly that kind of reach is perplexing because a shockwave is not one to blink something out of existence let alone a whole multiverse in a second. In terms of on-panel destruction, far from a multiverse was destroyed. We only know through statements.Im of the mind that he did indirectly destroy a multiverse. He did by way of stopping the swing and seemingly destroying the crisis anvil.
I keep reiterating "blinked out in a second" and "collapsing" because i believe they are intrinsinc in how the multiverse was actually destroyed. They are literal on-panel descriptions that really strike down the notion of shockwaves propagating through multiple infinities. Really hard to reconcile these facts with shockwaves simply destroying wf's multiverse.
Again, on-panel the multiverse in that 6th dimension suddenly ceased to exist. It was pointed out for us. Whether the places, lives, and histories from that multiverse returned to the forge I dont know. Why? Because it wasnt shown on panel. I dont have a problem agreeing to it returning to the forge.And in terms of us seeing a shockwave, yes there was one. It showed the destruction of a large portion of the planet they were fighting on and the seeming dematerializing of some of the alt justice league. Thats it. As to the rest of wf's multiverse, most would reach the conclusion that those lives complete with their own histories are gone too. Based of course on the on-panel statements of wf and Shayne.
But we know they "blinked out of reality in a second" thus basically eliminating a shockwave that would have had to propagate through multiple realities/dimensions, a shockwave that chose only to kill wf's multiverse natural inhabitants(minus shayne), and all happening in about a second. See the disconnect?
If I can describe it to you and to whoever else visually, I'd paint it this way. Imagine that part of the 6th dimension where they had fought on complete with its own cosmos is a canvas. It's the canvas to which wf built his new multiverse on. There he painted on lives, histories, places, and things. After the events of that arc, what he created on that canvas was basically erased for whatever reason. The canvas is still there albeit a bit smudged(crater), but the artwork was fundamentally removed.
Originally posted by carver9Because he needs to replace the multiverse with the his multiverse?I thought it was stated very clear?
If the mutliverse was there, why was WF still swinging his hammer?
Originally posted by MrMind
the multiverse was created, carver just doesn't know how to read comics
