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Only just noticed the theme references "King" Kirby.

On the logic alone of Jack Kirby >>>>>>>> Jim Starlin, Darkseid should forever beat Thanos.

Action Comics spoilers: The previews suggest that

Spoiler:
Ma and Pa Kent remember Connor Kent as the boy that lived with them in the run up to Infinite Crisis. Also, Ma and Pa Kent are alive too, but we knew that iirc.

Yet more hints about where the universe is going and which versions of the characters are the ones in the comics.

Seems like the intent is that each Crisis event essentially just mindrapes the multiverse so that most people don't remember it, but the Crises themselves still happened.

So once all the characters 'remember' these events again, everything will become canon. Like Phil said: Snyder will probably use

Spoiler:
Dianna's lasso

Originally posted by -Pr-
Action Comics spoilers: The previews suggest that

Spoiler:
Ma and Pa Kent remember Connor Kent as the boy that lived with them in the run up to Infinite Crisis. Also, Ma and Pa Kent are alive too, but we knew that iirc.

Yet more hints about where the universe is going and which versions of the characters are the ones in the comics.

The full comic is out. Your spoilered spoilers are indeed correct. They also have the big brains of the DCu theorising that

Spoiler:
the Multiverse had been rebooted three times

Originally posted by Galan007
Seems like the intent is that each Crisis event essentially just mindrapes the multiverse so that most people don't remember it, but the Crises themselves still happened.

So once all the characters 'remember' these events again, everything will become canon. Like Phil said: Snyder will probably use

Spoiler:
Dianna's lasso

as a plot device to make that happen.

Honestly, that wouldn't surprise me.

What a weird way to go about things, though. I'm still a bit fuzzy on how we're supposed to have separate universes and still have people remember shit from previous incarnations.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The full comic is out. Your spoilered spoilers are indeed correct. They also have the big brains of the DCu theorising that

Spoiler:
the Multiverse had been rebooted three times

Classic Brainy.

I'm surprised

Spoiler:
Superman didn't remember, but that the Kents don't

Yeah. Maybe it's a case that everything post-crisis happened, and people just need their memories jogged.

With Superman, I imagine it might be something connected to the combination of Post-Crisis and New 52 or something.

Yeah, depends if Snyder decides to stick with Johns' groundwork.

Wouldn't surprise me if he scrapped it and just did his own thing, though -- merging everything in DC's past/present/future, and essentially canonizing it all.

You would think the company would have one event/writer to set everything in stone as opposed to letting multiples **** with it.

Right?

I mentioned this before, but I really don't know why DC/Marvel don't have an official storygroup like Star Wars does?

It's essentially a board of like 5 people that all new material has to go through before being published. Their job is to make things as cohesive and structured as possible -- if the storygroup sees a problem with the story's continuity, they send it back for rewrites and whatnot. It drastically helps reduce contradictions in established canon, like we're bound to get here.

Originally posted by Galan007
Right?

I mentioned this before, but I really don't know why DC/Marvel don't have an official storygroup like Star Wars does?

It's essentially a board of like 5 people that all new material has to go through before being published. Their job is to make things as cohesive and structured as possible -- if the storygroup sees a problem with the story's continuity, they send it back for rewrites and whatnot. It drastically helps reduce contradictions in established canon, like we're bound to get here.

A story group sounds like a great idea for dealing with wider continuity issues, but then again... who would be on this kind of panel. I would hope it's the people we want, not the people we don't.

Originally posted by -Pr-
A story group sounds like a great idea for dealing with wider continuity issues, but then again... who would be on this kind of panel. I would hope it's the people we want, not the people we don't.

They already have dozens of editors... who are technically responsible for this sort of thing.

Problem is, those editors quite enjoy getting paid for nothing, so don't expect them to get their shit together.

Originally posted by -Pr-
A story group sounds like a great idea for dealing with wider continuity issues, but then again... who would be on this kind of panel. I would hope it's the people we want, not the people we don't.

But Lucasfilm has a team of 11 'canonicity experts' in the storygroup who don't typically write or produce the material themselves(so they're a bit less biased.) Their only job is to make sure everything in the material presented to them meshes together as cohesively as possible with established canon. Granted, they still aren't perfect and still make mistakes here and there(which are quick to be pointed out by the rabid SW fanbase)... But for the most part they do a great job keeping things streamlined.

I know DC/Marvel crank out a lot more material than SW, and I'm really not sure *who* would be a good fit for their theoretical storygroups, but I feel like it would still help to weed out glaring continuity issues tremendously.

Marvel and DC used to care about continuity, now they're just happy with releasing tons of issues in short time.

Do they need a "storygroup", as Galan is saying?

Of course, but they're fine pretending they're already doing a good job.

You're right. It will obviously never happen... Writers have been doing their own thing for decades now.

...But it's nice to dream. 🙁

Everytime the fans complain about continuity and canon, we're painted as man children crying about our toys.

They do whatever they want.

Sabretooth is a nice example:

https://shydaydreamer28.tumblr.com/post/179996666151/sabretooth-has-adamantium

He's been unofficially missing the adamantium since M-day... and then Greg Pak comes and says he still has it.

And before any of you try to say he was right; he also gave Warpath a legit healing factor in the same series... and pretended it's nothing new.

Just a tear in the ocean. Each one of us could point some other continuity errors. Really easy thing to do when nobody watches over this stuff.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They already have dozens of editors... who are technically responsible for this sort of thing.

Problem is, those editors quite enjoy getting paid for nothing, so don't expect them to get their shit together.

Editors haven't been worth shit in years.

Originally posted by Galan007
Ideally it would just consist of Morrison. 😛

But Lucasfilm has a team of 11 'canonicity experts' in the storygroup who don't typically write or produce the material themselves(so they're a bit less biased.) Their only job is to make sure everything in the material presented to them meshes together as cohesively as possible with established canon. Granted, they still aren't perfect and still make mistakes here and there(which are quick to be pointed out by the rabid SW fanbase)... But for the most part they do a great job keeping things streamlined.

I know DC/Marvel crank out a lot more material than SW, and I'm really not sure *who* would be a good fit for their theoretical storygroups, but I feel like it would still help to weed out glaring continuity issues tremendously.

Sounds like the TV show "character bible" thing I've been shouting about for a while now. Just adapted to serve the wider narrative rather than individual characters.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They do whatever they want.

Sabretooth is a nice example:

https://shydaydreamer28.tumblr.com/post/179996666151/sabretooth-has-adamantium

He's been unofficially missing the adamantium since M-day... and then Greg Pak comes and says he still has it.

And before any of you try to say he was right; he also gave Warpath a legit healing factor in the same series... and pretended it's nothing new.

Just a tear in the ocean. Each one of us could point some other continuity errors. Really easy thing to do when nobody watches over this stuff.

TBH, that's largely X-Men as a whole since the 90s. Every time a new writer comes in, it feels like something gets disregarded that was built up in a previous arc.

And X-Men relies on continuity more than most comics too.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Editors haven't been worth shit in years.

Exactly what I'm saying.

Picking eleven or more of them and forming a group wouldn't change a damn thing, as they have no real desire to oversee the continuity.

It's quantity over quality, simple as that. Must be working out rather well for them, financially I mean, as they don't wanna change.

And before you suggest it --- no, I doubt Marvel/DC would have any interest in hiring lifetime fans of their comics, as they much prefer relying on meek and obedient editors sticking to their program.

Originally posted by -Pr-
TBH, that's largely X-Men as a whole since the 90s. Every time a new writer comes in, it feels like something gets disregarded that was built up in a previous arc.

And X-Men relies on continuity more than most comics too.

X-Men aren't alone in that.

Originally posted by Galan007
Seems like the intent is that each Crisis event essentially just mindrapes the multiverse so that most people don't remember it, but the Crises themselves still happened.

So once all the characters 'remember' these events again, everything will become canon. Like Phil said: Snyder will probably use

Spoiler:
Dianna's lasso

as a plot device to make that happen.

will phil get his ass back to kmc if this happens?