Originally posted by Galan007I'm trying to wrap my head around the 'purpose' of the Monitors and World Forger. So we have the main DC Multiverse [Monitor], then we have a DC Dark Multiverse [which is immense, with World Forger], then we had the Anti-Matter Universe [which is supposed to isolate both of the previous ones from the rest of the Omniverse, with the Anti-Monitor]. So if it would be 3 circles, the Anti-Matter Universe would be the largest? And then, we have the Soruce Wall, which encircled all 3 of them [thus rendering the Anti-Matter one's purpose useless, getting Anti-Monitor to go on his meldown]?
"Mar Novu" = son of Perpetua.
"Dax Novu" = son of the Overvoid itself.mmm
I can't fit the presentation from Superman Beyond into all of this, sadly. The Monitor's origin is simply different there. Maybe it will make more sense when we see who the judges are? Maybe Mandrakk is the one who destroys the Megaverses? I dunno.
I called it those super celestials that imprisoned her came out in this week issue
The judges of the source seem to be beyond even perpetua
the black bird they sent literally bound Perpetua to the source wall
also we got the reason why Mobius started COIE
also it's nice that SS mentioned all the crisises
Originally posted by PhilThis is what I pieced together...
I'm trying to wrap my head around the 'purpose' of the Monitors and World Forger. So we have the main DC Multiverse [Monitor], then we have a DC Dark Multiverse [which is immense, with World Forger], then we had the Anti-Matter Universe [which is supposed to isolate both of the previous ones from the rest of the Omniverse, with the Anti-Monitor]. So if it would be 3 circles, the Anti-Matter Universe would be the largest? And then, we have the Soruce Wall, which encircled all 3 of them [thus rendering the Anti-Matter one's purpose useless, getting Anti-Monitor to go on his meldown]?I can't fit the presentation from Superman Beyond into all of this, sadly. The Monitor's origin is simply different there. Maybe it will make more sense when we see who the judges are? Maybe Mandrakk is the one who destroys the Megaverses? I dunno.
-Perpetua created the physical multiverse(up to the 3rd dimension).
-World Forger populated the universes with life.
-Monitor safeguarded them.
-Anti-Monitor kept the boundaries of the multiverse free of life from within his Anti-Matter universe(which is just a reflection of the multiverse) -- it essentially acted as a Source Wall before there was a Source Wall.
-Barbatos and the Dark Multiverse were also created by World Forger, and acted as a cosmic Recycle Bin of sorts, where all the decaying concepts that World Forger created would go.
...And the stories of Monitor/AM rebooted to what they were in COIE, following Perpetua's defeat.
That being said, I guess I just wasn't expecting Perpetua to be so easily dominated by the Overvoid/Source... Let alone its judges, lol. She wasn't portrayed nearly as 'meta' as I thought she'd be portrayed in this issue. /shrug
Yeah, she's like the Sauron of the Celestial beings, lol. There's people above her in ranking, but she's the big bad.
So we know the 'Perpetua(s)'-kind are killed once they fulfill their role in creating the Multiverses? But she tries to resist?
If Dax Novu will be in the story at all, I think he'll be a judge. [though I think Orlando basically shit on the possibility of him ever being used again]. It makes sense - he goes and 'probes' creations, I guess? The big change that kind of makes everything not fit is that the Source/Void/etc. sends beings to create 'the flaw'. In SB he sent Dax Novu to investigate it since he was like "What is this?".
the source wall rendered Mobius function useless, thus He wanted to strike down his brother and the multiverse with vengence, which resulted in COIE
that is a very good explaination.
the source and the overvoid, is it the same thing? They are both outside the omniverse altogether
From my understanding
first the Overvoid/Primal Monitor
then The Source and it's Judges
Then creators of every multiverses like Perpetua
I'd also note that it doesn't seem like Monitor and AM have any sort of conscious control over when they are rebooted/reformed in the 6th dimension(there were originally some people speculating that they had power over the 6th dimension itself or w/e.) That doesn't seem to be the case at all per this issue... It just sort of seems to happen naturally/spontaneously when the need arises -- although Monitor at least seems to be aware of what he will be rebooted into. /shrug
As far as I'm concerned, World Forger is on a MUCH higher level than his brothers... Or at least it certainly seems that way right now. He's taken his original 'function' to a very high level.
Morrison's Map has them as the same entity.
But again, I'm still not quite sure where Snyder is going with this. As mentioned, by the time the Overvoid first noticed creation and sent in a Probe for further study, it was already flourishing. As I said before, under Morrsion the Overvoid seemed be be completely unaware of this multiverse, and even regarded it as a 'flaw'.
But per this issue, the Source itself seemed to be commissioning the creation of an entire omniverse(ie. infinite multiverses.) Perpetua's creation was just one of them.
Perhaps Snyder is trying to spin it so that only Perpetua's multiverse was 'flawed', which is why the Overvoid was surprised by its existence and had it 'bottled' to prevent its spread..?