Originally posted by One Big Mob
Never really looked into U.S.Agent, but remember he's supposed to be an actual 10 tonner or something. Where does it explain his enhanced strength with words, and also what are some of his better feats?Everytime I see him he's eating dogshit.
He did kick Logan's ass so there's that
Originally posted by Damborgson
Oh, Thor was planted in the physical realm, the serpent would have had to have been in the Ethereal realm.
Yeah so in the wiki as you said, it says
Originally posted by Damborgson
. Even in his final battle with Thor, although his front portion materialized on Earth, Jormungand kept most of his body in ethereal form. If he had not, his immense bulk would have crushed buildings and people around the globe."
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Jormungand_(Earth-616)
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Surely it means Thor only lifted like a small portion of the serpent?
Well my points the same.
Thor is in the physical plane - as you said.
Serpent is mostly in the ethereal plane - as you said (actually, you said it was in the ethereal plane, so 100%).
The reason for the Serpent doing this was so that it's physical effects were mitigated - as the wiki you posted said.
So how can it be a strength feat (or at least, quantifiable) for Thor if X% of the serpent is in another plane where it's physical effects on Earth (where Thor is) is minimised?
Thor is only lifting a small portion of the Serpent.
There you go, that's how people speak.
Yes, but its weight was transferred to the cat as part of the magic.
The comic basically explained everything Thor and Loki saw as "magic", which is why somehow they summoned death itself, Loki couldn't see past the illusions infront of him, and in this case, Thor couldn't lift a cat properly because it had the weight of the serpent.
Originally posted by Damborgson
There you go, that's how people speak.Yes, but its weight was transferred to the cat as part of the magic.
The comic basically explained everything Thor and Loki saw as "magic", which is why somehow they summoned death itself, Loki couldn't see past the illusions infront of him, and in this case, Thor couldn't lift a cat properly because it had the weight of the serpent.
Lol, this is also how people try to learn things - by asking questions. This IS the comics QUESTIONS thread.
But since you don't like questions being asked..... I'll try not to ask them.
Thor failing to lift the cat as proof it's the full weight of the Midgard Serpent is a logical fail. You're essentially going in circles:
Thor is strong because he lifted something heavy. That thing is heavy because Thor had difficulty lifting it.
Me having difficulty lifting a weight doesn't mean it's heavy, nor does it mean I'm strong.
I asked questions because there were details I thought I didn't know, but you just seem to confirm there weren't.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Yeah but you know what you do. You avoid a stance to lower risk, you're not clever.That is indeed a logical fail, but that's also not what I said. And you know this, so I won't indulge trolling. Go get your kicks with Carver.
Lol, OK. My stance is that it is not an impressive strength feat for Thor, as we don't know how much of the Midgard Serpent he lifted - as X% was in the ethereal plane. Your sentence:
Originally posted by Damborgson
and in this case, Thor couldn't lift a cat properly because it had the weight of the serpent.
Is what I was referring to when I said you were using circular logic. It was heavy, yes. Did it have the serpent's weight? No - or at least, not it's full weight. Unless you can prove that it's full weight was transferred to the cat in the physical plane - which was the point of my questions all this time.
Originally posted by Galan007
Sorta/kinda?Main question is why the Serpent can inextricably go from city-sized, to planet-sized? That's a HUGE difference.
I've seen Phil and abhi argue over the years that there were 'stipulations' behind the Serpent being planet-sized, and it appearing immensely smaller in this issue seems to give credence to that argument.
Really just wondering if the knowledgeable Thor guys had a deeper explanation..?
Originally posted by krisblaze
The midgard serpent seems to be able to shapeshift to some degree.
He's also supposed to be able to encircle the earth, which should be possible without being planet-sized.It's not functional to draw/deal with something that size, so I assume they tone him down.
Yes. It has various magical powers like shape-shifting, stopping time etc.:
But in this particular instance, I think it was just artistic interpretation. I don't understand though, how this instance impacts previous stories.
Or maybe not. The first scene of the comic said the World Serpent was large enough to coil around the roots of the World Tree. It certainly looked way bigger than City Sized:
Basically, at this point, it's just magic, and apparently gets as big as it wants to depending on the story.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Even a cursory glance on the comic proves you wrong.Thor goes exactly the same place where Blake goes, they just trade places. How and why Blake has gained these powers are not explained.
What are you even talking about?
You said Thor went to the Elder Sleep or some nonsense. Which he does, while Blake goes to this magical world. But the magic is broken, the old gods turned their face and he went to Blake's world instead.
I reiterate: Shut-up retard.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Yeah but you know what you do. You avoid a stance to lower risk, you're not clever.That is indeed a logical fail, but that's also not what I said. And you know this, so I won't indulge trolling. Go get your kicks with Carver.
Goddamn, DB is going warrior madness I like it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What are you even talking about?You said Thor went to the Elder Sleep or some nonsense. Which he does, while Blake goes to this magical world. But the magic is broken, the old gods turned their face and he went to Blake's world instead.
I reiterate: Shut-up retard.
If you can't read, better shut up.