Nrama: And does the ending of your Batman Who Laughs story also play into this?Snyder: 100%. So does Justice League Dark and Justice League Odyssey and other books outside of it, like some of the stuff Tom’s doing in Batman and some of the stuff that Brian’s doing in Superman. All of it winds up playing into this same uber-narrative that eventually crescendos and culminates in fall-winter of 2019.
So what you read now in “Year of the Villain” in May really is the first shot of a bigger story that will cross through the whole DCU and bring it to this incredible head in fall-winter of this year, and then propel it into the biggest battle possible in 2020.
The thing that I would also impress upon people, if I can, is that we never want you to feel like we’re shoving a story down your throat that wrenches your book out of its natural course. For us, we’ve worked really hard to try to make sure each writer and artist team gets to tie in if they choose in a way that’s organic to the story they’ve been telling on their book.
So the prompt from Lex Luthor, when he offers something to the villain of that book, is really based on whatever the writer/artist team of that book have decided to do or not do.
SCOTT SNYDER: YEAR OF THE VILLAIN Propels DCU into Giant Year-End Battle
Originally posted by MrMind
convergence as a event was horrible, it retconned COIE completelybut it did have a happy ending
it brought the pre-flashpoint multiverse back to existence
The main story wasn't great, but the side stories were good fun.
The Telos story though.. What was even the point of it? Parallax Hal punks Telos in a cliffhanger ending, the end.
Originally posted by Galan007
Wait... I thought Snyder's current run on JL was supposed to be the "crescendo" of all his work so far..? Now there is another crescendo after this one..?So confused.
It's Snyder; i doubt he knows what he's doing half the time. Plus, it hasn't been nearly long enough since DC tried to make things about the villains. The last time it wasn't very good, and I expect nothing to change.
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I sat down and had a proper read of Heroes In Crisis #8, and for the most part, it reaffirmed my theories about Tom King.
When it comes to heartfelt, poignant character moments, he's one of the best there is in the industry right now. Very few writers do a good job of making comic characters feel like real, rounded characters. Grant Morrison is excellent at it. Waid used to be good at it until he went all cunty.
The problem is everything else. King struggles, heavily so, at coming up with the story that encompasses it all, and is too willing to jam square pegs in to round holes to suit his own needs. Superhero therapy isn't a bad idea in theory, but, as it ends up being with Wally, the story and the mechanism that makes it all come together is flawed.
When Wally is talking about how much grief he was feeling from losing his former life? That was good. It's written well. When he talks about how he lost control for a moment, that was good. When he talks about "the accident", that's explained well enough, but it's also where the problems start to creep in. The speed force is some sort of tidal wave of energy that the Flashes constantly keep at bay? Really?
Then we have Wally West. Wally. ****ing. West. Framing someone else for murder and posing Roy Harper's body. Are you ****ing kidding me.
And that's where King's problems come flying in to view. As unbelievable as it is that someone like Superman or Batman would need or even use that kind of therapy, another writer could have made it work with different characters. A murder mystery set in said therapy center? Not a bad idea. The execution, though. Jesus.
Tom King is the anti-George Lucas of comics. His strength is in the dialogue and the character moments, not in the "figuring out the plot" stuff that comes with writing superheroes.
Originally posted by Galan007Every new arc for him is "the best one I've done" or "if I had one story to tell about this character/team, it's this one".
Wait... I thought Snyder's current run on JL was supposed to be the "crescendo" of all his work so far..? Now there is another crescendo after this one..?So confused.
Not even being sarcastic - that's what he says almost every single time - and it was even more pronounced when he was on the main 'Batman' title.
Originally posted by -Pr-
It's Snyder; i doubt he knows what he's doing half the time. Plus, it hasn't been nearly long enough since DC tried to make things about the villains. The last time it wasn't very good, and I expect nothing to change.==
I sat down and had a proper read of Heroes In Crisis #8, and for the most part, it reaffirmed my theories about Tom King.
When it comes to heartfelt, poignant character moments, he's one of the best there is in the industry right now. Very few writers do a good job of making comic characters feel like real, rounded characters. Grant Morrison is excellent at it. Waid used to be good at it until he went all cunty.
The problem is everything else. King struggles, heavily so, at coming up with the story that encompasses it all, and is too willing to jam square pegs in to round holes to suit his own needs. Superhero therapy isn't a bad idea in theory, but, as it ends up being with Wally, the story and the mechanism that makes it all come together is flawed.
When Wally is talking about how much grief he was feeling from losing his former life? That was good. It's written well. When he talks about how he lost control for a moment, that was good. When he talks about "the accident", that's explained well enough, but it's also where the problems start to creep in. The speed force is some sort of tidal wave of energy that the Flashes constantly keep at bay? Really?
Then we have Wally West. Wally. ****ing. West. Framing someone else for murder and posing Roy Harper's body. Are you ****ing kidding me.
And that's where King's problems come flying in to view. As unbelievable as it is that someone like Superman or Batman would need or even use that kind of therapy, another writer could have made it work with different characters. A murder mystery set in said therapy center? Not a bad idea. The execution, though. Jesus.
Tom King is the anti-George Lucas of comics. His strength is in the dialogue and the character moments, not in the "figuring out the plot" stuff that comes with writing superheroes.
He does well with characters that don't have defining runs, or when he's not writing dumb depression or mental illness based plots
Look at his work on Grayson, Omega Men, Mr Miracle and The Visions
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
He does well with characters that don't have defining runs, or when he's not writing dumb depression or mental illness based plotsLook at his work on Grayson, Omega Men, Mr Miracle and The Visions
The strongest part of issue #8 is Wally talking about his grief and depression, though. The internal stuff, I would argue, is King's strength.
Originally posted by Galan007
Wait... I thought Snyder's current run on JL was supposed to be the "crescendo" of all his work so far..? Now there is another crescendo after this one..?So confused.
DD Clock is probably being delayed because of Snyder's plans or whatnot. Someone brought this up on another forum:
May 2020 is when DC's next big event is scheduled to end. Presumably once that month's by, we'll be finally in the post Doomsday Clock status quo in the main books