Originally posted by Galan007thx for the response galan.
This will probably sound like a jumbled mess, but I'll try to make it somewhat comprehensible...I see it as two completely different continuities... Two entirely separate 'things':
-Continuity #1 ("C-1"😉: ends at Superman's punch.
-Continuity #2 ("C-2"😉: starts at Superman's punch.My opinion is that Manhattan originally couldn't see any future after Superman's punch, because that is the moment where C-1 ended, and C-2 began -- he was only seeing into the future of the former. So perhaps his ability to perceive the future is limited to one continuity at a time.
IOW, I believe Manhattan rebooted the metaverse in such a way that the previous continuity stopped at this moment:
https://ibb.co/vdzCkWMWhich is why he could not see the future of C-1 beyond that point, no matter how far he looked:
https://ibb.co/pj5bGSy
...Because C-1 technically ceased to exist after Superman's punch.And under my theory, this was also the overlapping starting point of C-2:
https://ibb.co/vdzCkWMFrom that point, Manhattan created a completely new continuity, with a completely new future, from scratch:
https://ibb.co/68f52gy
https://ibb.co/BySJW5P
https://ibb.co/6R2dw3S
https://ibb.co/Yytfvw4
https://ibb.co/09PfqwCAnd once C-2 properly manifested, and Manhattan inserted himself into it, he obviously had no problem seeing into its future:
https://ibb.co/pvPcRCz
https://ibb.co/9b7vpdN
So again, it's possible that Manhattan can only see into the future of one fully realized continuity at a time.Hope that made some kind of sense. 🤓
but thats what i still dont get. the same manhattan would have still existed in both continuities. so why couldn't he at least sense his own future in "c2"??
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXXAs mentioned in my post, it goes back to the theory that Manhattan can only observe the future of one realized continuity at a time. So he was originally just looking into the future of C-1, and therefore could not see anything after Superman's punch because that is the precise moment when C-1 ceased to exist(ie. it had no future beyond that point.)
thx for the response galan.but thats what i still dont get. the same manhattan would have still existed in both continuities. so why couldn't he at least sense his own future in "c2"??
So even though Manhattan is indeed part of both continuities, he was unable to see the new future that he created in C-2, because it is just that: a different continuity. Try to imagine C-1 and C-2 as completely separate/individual planes of existence... Makes all this a lot easier to follow, lol.
Again: this is the instance where I think that both C-1 ended, and C-2 began:
https://ibb.co/vdzCkWM
It is the overlapping linchpin for both continuities, imo.
Originally posted by DamborgsonIt goes back to my theory that the first continuity ended at Superman's punch, and the second continuity began at the same moment... And Manhattan can only perceive the future of one continuity at a time.
Sure, but any way you look at it, it didn't make much sense.True, he did some future tinkering, but he should have been able to see immediately after the punch from Superman and that it wasn't aimed at him.
Originally posted by BrolyBlackI do. droolio
Stop jerking Galan off. He likes that.
Deathbattle is trash. Wtf kind of Hulk is this? Then they said Hulk is faster than Broly...
Originally posted by Damborgson
Sure, but any way you look at it, it didn't make much sense.True, he did some future tinkering, but he should have been able to see immediately after the punch from Superman and that it wasn't aimed at him.
But notice all his tinkering to Supermans timeline didn't take. He made a lot of changes, and every single one of them resulted in the same Superman.
Ergo, logic doesn't apply here. It's all about a meta narrative, ala Animal Man meets his creator, Grant Morrison, who himself is simply a creation of the REAL Grant Morrison.
The whole Doomsday Clock thing is Snyder's attempt to build on Morrison logic, for better or worse.
So following Morrison Logic, if Mxy tried to reality alter Supermans very first story out of existence, he would fail, every time. Maybe because without Action Comics 1, there would no DC comics, and no Mxy to alter anything.
Or maybe because the writer, Grand Morrison (Or Scott Snyder) simply won't allow it to happen.
I mean, I'm not disagreeing it makes no sense internally, but I'm not sure it was ever meant to. At least, not in an A leads to B kind of logic.
Originally posted by cdtmSuperman was altered(to some degree) by Manhattan's tinkering with the past. But the metaversal "Superman Constant" remained -- and that's what Manhattan was sticking around to study/observe in person. In his words: "I change the past to challenge the future."
But notice all his tinkering to Supermans timeline didn't take. He made a lot of changes, and every single one of them resulted in the same Superman
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXXBecause the plot was whether or not Superman would kill Manhattan, so the writer chose that as the cut off point.
i still dont understand why manhattan couldnt see beyond superman's punch. there was some dialogue after that, and manhattan himself existed in the new reality that came after>? 😕
Ignore Galan 👆
Either that or that scene was in a quantum superposition, and the possibilities collapsed into one when Superman chose to defend rather than attack Manhattan.
Originally posted by carver9
Deathbattle is trash. Wtf kind of Hulk is this? Then they said Hulk is faster than Broly...
Oof.
Hulk keeping up with Broly in space lol.
Originally posted by DamborgsonI burst out laughing at multiple parts there.
Oof.Hulk keeping up with Broly in space lol.
They're obviously stretching things as irrationally as they can to make it a fight. They'd have Batman fight Tien and say Batman is a guy who can run across the Multiverse because he stole Hal's ring and win because he one-shotted Martian Manhunter.
Originally posted by ParmaniacIt was a joke based on the type of interpretation of feats they do.
For real?
Check out Hal vs Ben 10. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hos7hv1Cn8]
Hal is a multiversal being who is faster than instant teleportation across the entire Universe:
[a print screen from their video]
Deathbattle is hilarious.
Originally posted by PhilBut that's already happened to Manhattan, and he was able to perceive the quantum superposition that he had inadvertently caused in its totality, and ultimately "fix" it:
Either that or that scene was in a quantum superposition, and the possibilities collapsed into one when Superman chose to defend rather than attack Manhattan.
https://ibb.co/jM3HqGG
https://ibb.co/Ns0YH72
https://ibb.co/5jB37vX
https://ibb.co/mhDcfcP
https://ibb.co/5n0WZRT
https://ibb.co/7z6sNST
https://ibb.co/W29L3KL
Though I suppose the mainstream metaverse's "Superman Constant" might be a bit more difficult to for him to perceive/predict. /shrug
Originally posted by PhilNever a bad idea. 👆
Ignore Galan. 👆