Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker - Discussion Thread

Originally posted by CaveDude33211

[B]Yah - No. 🙄 [/B]

Oh it was made for a younger audience (as was Harry Potter). Theres no denying that. But it just appealed to adults as well.

Plus each trilogy was designed to mature things up a little with each film. So the 12year olds saw Phantom Menace are 18 by the time ROTS comes out. Or 10years olds were 16 e.t.c.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Oh it was made for a younger audience

Young-adults - not children.

Originally posted by Darth Thor

Plus each trilogy was designed to mature things up a little with each film. So the 12year olds saw Phantom Menace are 18 by the time ROTS comes out. Or 10years olds were 16 e.t.c.

Yah - that's why we had bloody-mutilations in A New Hope and then later had dancing teddy-bears in Return Of The Jedi.

Originally posted by CaveDude33211

Yah - that's why we had bloody-mutilations in A New Hope and then later had dancing teddy-bears in Return Of The Jedi.

Was a quick scene in ANH.

As for ROTJ the teddy bears were to balance out the darker toned stuff happening in the throne room.

But we all know ESB took things way darker after ANH. As did ROTS after TPM and AOTC.

RotS had to be dark. There was no way around that.

Originally posted by Galan007
RotS had to be dark. There was no way around that.

It had to be dark and it was easily the best episode of the prequels.

If anything, we need to complain that I and II weren't even nearly as dark.

"Made for children" is not synonymous with "no violence" or "no blood". Citizen Kane had less of both than Star Wars, and it's not a children's movie. Much of the Disney Renaissance featured brutal stabbings, or child murder. Dragonball Z regularly featured blood, mutilation, decapitation, and murders--it was still made for children. That adults also enjoy them (or still do because of nostalgia) is a sign of a fairly well-rounded execution.

ANH was the bloodiest of the OT just from that furry puppet arm (although we never get to see the guy screaming in agony clutching at his stump, with terror in his eyes as he wonder whether he's about to die, a la the ESB wampa). We DO see a violent disarming and decapitation execution in RotS. Also a grisly immolation of a man who just had his limbs severed. IMO that film went TOO far with that shit. Dark =/= good. It's not some magic filter applied to a shitty movie that makes it suddenly a good movie. RotS is still a piece of shit film, no matter how dark it got. And so is TPM, no matter how much Jar Jar smelled a fart or stepped in the poopy.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
"Made for children" is not synonymous with "no violence" or "no blood". Citizen Kane had less of both than Star Wars, and it's not a children's movie. Much of the Disney Renaissance featured brutal stabbings, or child murder.

Some children's movies do have blood in them - but a movie where a guy gets mutilated and graphically set on fire is not something that any children's movie has ever had.

So while I understood the point you're setting up, unfortunately the violence in the Star Wars Saga still demonstrates it's not a movie aimed at little kids.

Hell, I didn't even count the scene with the Tauntaun's guts being sliced open - and the inference that Luke was going to be stuck inside the gory-cavity of a dead animal.

Yah - as much as I love you Lucien, that stuff still isn't for kids.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien

Dragonball Z regularly featured blood, mutilation, decapitation, and murders--it was still made for children. That adults also enjoy them (or still do because of nostalgia) is a sign of a fairly well-rounded execution.

Dragon Ball Z is made mainly for teenagers and adults - not little kids.

After it was edited and censored, they could air it on channels for children, such as Cartoon Network.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien

IMO that film went TOO far with that shit. Dark =/= good. It's not some magic filter applied to a shitty movie that makes it suddenly a good movie.

I agree completely - honestly I always felt The Empire Strikes back was too dark and depressing when I was younger.

I get that people favor it out of all the Star Wars movies due to its more knitty-gritty realism compared to the other films.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien

RotS is still a piece of shit film, no matter how dark it got.

Wow, you're the only person I've met who's said that RotS is a piece of shit film.

What do you not like about it?

Even the original DB anime (pre Z) had lots of scenes altered.

Originally posted by CaveDude33211

Wow, you're the only person I've met who's said that RotS is a piece of shit film.

I too think it is was mostly garbage

and if George Lucas's word means anything, yes SW is geared toward kids

https://www.polygon.com/2017/4/13/15288998/george-lucas-star-wars-celebration

So there's a theory floating around that "Skywalker" essentially becomes the new name/title for Jedi in the SW mythos... In the same way that people who follow Jesus Christ are Christians, Buddhists follow Buddha, etc.

Hence "The Rise of Skywalker".

That would be so damn stupid. Yet sadly, I think it's a very real possibility with Disney at the helm.

Ehhh...how about no.

Originally posted by ares834
That would be so damn stupid. Yet sadly, I think it's a very real possibility with Disney at the helm.

With how Disney has been lately, I could totally see them throwing out the word "Jedi", and replacing it with "Skywalkers".

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, that's what I'm worried about as well.

With how Disney has been lately, I could totally see them throwing out the word "Jedi", and replacing it with "Skywalkers".

If they do that, then whatever shred of curiosity I have, is gone(by this point its microscopic). The word Jedi is an iconic one, if they get rid of that it's all over.

I doubt Disney would to do that with such an iconic term.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
I too think it is was mostly garbage

How so?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg

and if George Lucas's word means anything, yes SW is geared toward kids
https://www.polygon.com/2017/4/13/15288998/george-lucas-star-wars-celebration

He says 12-year olds, which is close enough to being a teenager and not a child.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
If they do that, then whatever shred of curiosity I have, is gone(by this point its microscopic). The word Jedi is an iconic one, if they get rid of that it's all over.

👆

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Even the original DB anime (pre Z) had lots of scenes altered.

Very true. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, that's what I'm worried about as well.

With how Disney has been lately, I could totally see them throwing out the word "Jedi", and replacing it with "Skywalkers".

Disney seems to have a thing for destroying themselves.

I won't waste my money on their shitty "star wars" movies

- but I'll gladly watch their reviews go down the drain in the news.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I doubt Disney would to do that with such an iconic term.

But yeah, I certainly hope they wouldn't stoop that low.

Originally posted by CaveDude33211
Disney seems to have a thing for destroying themselves.

I won't waste my money on their shitty "star wars" movies

- but I'll gladly watch their reviews go down the drain in the news.

But at this point all I'm hoping for is that it isn't terrible. /shrug