Silver Surfer vs HP Doomsday

Originally posted by Deadline
You see heres the problem about what's going on in this thread. You are getting scans and statments which are open to interpretation and then deciding that it can only be interpreted one way.

DD is trapped in another dimension surrounded by entropy. Does a drop of molten lava do the same amount as damage being dropped into a volcanoe? Yes you get the point and before you start telling me that this is entropy and not lava I'll point out that you tried to make an analogy using krptonite and sand. The point being is being trapped in a dimension surrounded by an energy source is clearly more deadly than just being blasted by it.

If I was doing what you're doing I could just look at this scan here.

https://photobucket.com/gallery/user/OneDumbG0/media/bWVkaWFJZDo0MzI0Njk2MQ==/?ref=

What does it say DS? It says Hulk is infinite, if I was to take that at face vaule it would mean that Hulk has infinte power.

Agreed.

To refute it, I'd have scans of times when Hulk did not in fact, have infinite power. Clear cut scans.

Do you have clear cut scans saying otherwise that my interpretation is incorrect?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

You're forgetting that Entropy is meant to be the Kryptonite of everything in the DCU.

Yea that is my point. My point about you're argument is that you don't have enough evidence to back it up it's 100% percent subjective.

Look at the statement you made, there's nothing in that statment that proves that Entropy doesn't have varying levels of intensity if blasted at somebody.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Using your analogy, it is like everyone in Marvel being weak to Darkforce energy.

Exactly! Darkforce has varying levels of intensity. You just proved my point.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Agreed.

To refute it, I'd have scans of times when Hulk did not in fact, have infinite power. Clear cut scans.

Do you have clear cut scans saying otherwise that my interpretation is incorrect?

You don't have clear cut scans to prove that entropy has varying levels of intensity you're just interpreting it that way.

What you're doing is that you seem to be ascribing special powers to this energy source that seem to make it unique to any energy source in the history of comics.

Darkforce has different levels of intensity.
Power cosmic has different levels of intensity.
Classic Beyonder has different levels of intensity.
Galactus has different levels of intensity
Mxy for crying out loud has different levels of intensity didn't Joker steal a portion of his power? So is Emperor Joker = Mxy

Isn't Mxy more powerful than Imperiex? If Myx has different levels why shouldn't Imperiex?

But for some strange reason when a being casualy blasts a much weaker being were deciding that the energy source has no variation in power? Do we assume that when Galactus blasts a person that he doesn't vary in power?

I hate to say this but it just seems that maybe people wouldn't be making this argument if I wasn't trying to argue that SS could cut DD's head off. So I'm sorry it's just seems like people are just making stuff up. Under normal circumstance this wouldn't be a problem.

EDIT: Joker stole most of Mxy's power but you get the idea.

Originally posted by Deadline
You see heres the problem about what's going on in this thread. You are getting scans and statments which are open to interpretation and then deciding that it can only be interpreted one way.

Originally posted by Deadline
Does a drop of molten lava do the same amount as damage being dropped into a volcanoe?

So again: Entropy is Entropy. It doesn't have varying intensities. I really don't see how this is even debatable? Are you just trolling, or..?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

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Also worth noting that not even abstract beings(and the concepts the represent) can survive Entropy:

"We're literally out of time... The end of life, the universe, and EVERYTHING... Where Death ceases to exist even at a conceptual level."

*Black Flash=Black Racer=Death itself, yet even it was instantly obliterated by Entropy.

...Though with how this thread is going, I'm sure that will soon be "open to interpretation" as well. ermm

Also imperiex been reference as all things end(null for all things).Darkseid said that.
And linear men(Hunter?IIRC)said that
And imperiex power been reference entropy itself.Including entropy aegis.
Entropy is like some sorts of killing everything touched it.(Never good at metaphor....)in DC

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
..But does this prove DD can't be devolved though?

What? All of Doomsday was drained of life/energy, that's what Entropy aka Imperiex does. Left nothing but his skeleton, there's no reason it would erase his bones.... 😑

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What is waiting like a ravenous beast, draining all life and energy?

Imperiex-Prime/Entropy awaits all of the DCU, it then loops back to the beginning and starts over, making a chance for the next universe to be somewhat different (shown in Sandman).

Originally posted by kevdude
What? All of Doomsday was drained of life/energy, that's what Entropy aka Imperiex does. Left nothing but his skeleton, there's no reason it would erase his bones.... 😑

Imperiex-Prime/Entropy awaits all of the DCU, it then loops back to the beginning and starts over, making a chance for the next universe to be somewhat different (shown in Sandman).

Yeah Entropy erased DD, how exactly does it show DNA manipulation won't work?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Yeah Entropy erased DD, how exactly does it show DNA manipulation won't work?

DD fought a Guardian, if he can do that, I doubt a lesser powerful being like Silver Surfer would be able to manipulate DD's dna, DD's willpower and body is that strong.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Also imperiex been reference as all things end(null for all things).Darkseid said that.
And linear men(Hunter?IIRC)said that
And imperiex power been reference entropy itself.Including entropy aegis.
Entropy is like some sorts of killing everything touched it.(Never good at metaphor....)in DC

Darkseid commented on the nature of Imperiex's blasts(specifically the ones he used against Doomsday and Superman):
https://i.imgur.com/svw5nqa.jpg
"Darkseid transported you from your fate at the hands of Imperiex's MATTER COLLAPSE AND ENERGY NULL... For a higher purpose!"

Solidified in the most recent DC Encyclopedia:
https://i.imgur.com/4gxM6pv.jpg
Powers/Abilities: MANIPULATES ENTROPY.
"Imperiex is a conceptual entity: the sentient EMBODIMENT OF ENTROPY."

Originally posted by Galan007
They're not open to interpretation, though. Seems like you're just being purposefully ignorant and ignoring explicit on-panel facts... That's why no one is coming to your rescue here.

Yes you're right actually I'm well aware that nobody is going to come to my rescue. I was just being naive. However the reason why nobody is going to side with me is because I made the argument not because it doesn't make any sense.

Originally posted by Galan007

It's more like asking if getting dropped into a volcano will do more damage to you than getting a house-sized glob of lava from that same volcano dropped onto you... You're falling into the exact same lava either way.

So again: Entropy is Entropy. It doesn't have varying intensities. I really don't see how this is even debatable?

Galan all you have done is chosen an analogy that suits you're argument just because a house-sized amount of lava has the same affect as being dropped in a mountain of lava doesn't mean that lava doesn't have varying intensities.

Oh and by the way it looks like DD's bones were destroyed by entropy just not in one go

Originally posted by Galan007

Are you just trolling, or..?

Really are you planning to ban me if I don't agree with you? All this talk about trolling seems to me that maybe you're fishing for a temp-ban.

Originally posted by Galan007
👆

Also worth noting that not even abstract beings(and the concepts the represent) can survive Entropy:

"We're literally out of time... The end of life, the universe, and EVERYTHING... Where Death ceases to exist even at a conceptual level."

*Black Flash=Black Racer=Death itself, yet even it was instantly obliterated by Entropy.

Again that doesn't prove anything mountain of lava analogy.

Originally posted by Galan007

...Though with how this thread is going, I'm sure that will soon be "open to interpretation" as well. ermm

Is that another temp-ban threat? Anyway there is no point in responding to my posts at this point.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Also imperiex been reference as all things end(null for all things).Darkseid said that.
And linear men(Hunter?IIRC)said that
And imperiex power been reference entropy itself.Including entropy aegis.
Entropy is like some sorts of killing everything touched it.(Never good at metaphor....)in DC

Again you're taking something that is open to interpretation and narrwowing down its meaning. Hulk has been described as being infinite does that mean that Hulk doesn't vary in power? Theres even a being in Marvel called Oblivion that has shown variation in power levels, the same logic caould be applied to that.

Oh and by the way apparently this scan conclusively proves that DD was vastly stronger than Superman. Bare in mind there can be a big difference but it can still not be vast.

Originally posted by Galan007

*And that's with the additional MotherBox amp.

I'm just interested to see if everybody agrees with Galan on this as well.

Ok heres another thing.

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Oblivion_(Earth-616)

Oblivion is a cosmic abstract entity and another aspect of Death, a personification of death. Oblivion represents non-existence and is a counter-force to the expanding universe

In his rivalry with Infinity, Oblivion empowered Maelstrom as his avatar and sent him his agent, Deathurge to assist him. As Oblivion's agent, Maelstrom tried to destroy the whole universe, but he was stopped by Quasar, the avatar of Infinity. Oblivion, Infinity, Death, and Eternity then came to a new agreement.[4]

Well guess what Oblivion has the same desciption as the DC entropy but has varying levels of power because he powered Malestrom. Is Malestrom as powerful as Oblivion...nope.

Not sure if the link works but you can google it.

current rogue against DOS Superman (philo) or Post crisis, not rebirth. (that's spite itself) or a high tier dc/marvel match

let's do it!

Originally posted by Deadline
Yes you're right actually I'm well aware that nobody is going to come to my rescue. I was just being naive. However the reason why nobody is going to side with me is because I made the argument not because it doesn't make any sense.

Originally posted by Deadline
Galan all you have done is chosen an analogy that suits you're argument just because a house-sized amount of lava has the same affect as being dropped in a mountain of lava doesn't mean that lava doesn't have varying intensities.

But the fact of the matter is that LAVA IS NOT ENTROPY, so your analogy is worthless regardless. A far batter analogy would be to compare DC Entropy to Nullification in Marvel... But even that's not an exact 1:1 analogy.

Originally posted by Deadline
Oh and by the way it looks like DD's bones were destroyed by entropy just not in one go

Originally posted by Deadline
Really are you planning to ban me if I don't agree with you? All this talk about trolling seems to me that maybe you're fishing for a temp-ban.

Originally posted by Deadline
Again that doesn't prove anything mountain of lava analogy.

The burden of proof falls entirely on YOU to prove that DC Entropy has varying levels of intensity, like you're trying to say. If you cannot prove it with actual EVIDENCE(and I know for a fact that you cannot), then why in the hell should I take your stance seriously?

Entropy is Entropy.

Originally posted by Deadline
Is that another temp-ban threat? Anyway there is no point in responding to my posts at this point.

Originally posted by Deadline
Ok heres another thing.

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Oblivion_(Earth-616)

[b]Oblivion is a cosmic abstract entity and another aspect of Death, a personification of death. Oblivion represents non-existence and is a counter-force to the expanding universe

In his rivalry with Infinity, Oblivion empowered Maelstrom as his avatar and sent him his agent, Deathurge to assist him. As Oblivion's agent, Maelstrom tried to destroy the whole universe, but he was stopped by Quasar, the avatar of Infinity. Oblivion, Infinity, Death, and Eternity then came to a new agreement.[4]

Well guess what Oblivion has the same desciption as the DC entropy but has varying levels of power because he powered Malestrom. Is Malestrom as powerful as Oblivion...nope.

Not sure if the link works but you can google it. [/B]

Stop now.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
current rogue against DOS Superman (philo) or Post crisis, not rebirth. (that's spite itself) or a high tier dc/marvel match

let's do it!

Reading Deadlines side of the argument, I can definitely understand where he is coming from
Authors can treat Entropy attack like any other attack. It can have a level of intensity that can be applied.

Like deadline said, how can we come to the conclusion that Imperiex attacks are all the same but with a different scope (size?)

Personally, based on Imperiex’s comment, “finality”, is argue against Deadline”s line of thinking

Problem is: the author clearly treated Imperiex's blasts as Entropy. Hence Darkseid's comment:
https://i.imgur.com/svw5nqa.jpg
"Darkseid transported you from your fate at the hands of Imperiex's MATTER COLLAPSE AND ENERGY NULL... For a higher purpose!"

In order to intelligibly argue that his Entropic blasts have varying levels of intensity, you'd have to provide EVIDENCE to support your claim(personal opinion/conjecture is NOT evidence, btw.) If said evidence cannot be provided, then it's just you asking everyone else to prove a negative. That isn't how this works.

Right, I agree. I don’t see the author implying otherwise.

Originally posted by Galan007
It makes no sense whatsoever. It's just you ignoring a slew of explicit on-panel facts. That's why you're the only person trying to make the argument, lol. ermm

No. I used the same ridiculous analogy you presented...except used it more appropriately.

But the fact of the matter is that LAVA IS NOT ENTROPY, so your analogy is worthless regardless. A far batter analogy would be to compare DC Entropy to Nullification in Marvel... But even that's not an exact 1:1 analogy.

Where do you see Doomsday's bones being destroyed by Entropy?

Not at all. It was a legitimate question, because I can't imagine how someone who isn't overtly trolling could see ALL of this evidence and still try to argue against it. Frankly, it is absolutely mind-blowing.

ENTROPY ISN'T LAVA, lol.

The burden of proof falls entirely on YOU to prove that DC Entropy has varying levels of intensity, like you're trying to say. If you cannot prove it with actual EVIDENCE(and I know for a fact that you cannot), then why in the hell should I take your stance seriously?

Entropy is Entropy.

Lol, what? Why are you so insecure?

Trying to pretend like the 'stats' of Marvel's Oblivion apply to the DC concept of Entropy is not only one hell of a desperate asspull,

Look This is a waste of time.

Originally posted by Galan007

but it IS trolling. Flagrantly.

Stop now.

See you don't even want to admit that you're trying to temp ban me. So if I don't agree with you it's trolling. As far as I'm concerned this is harrasment. I knew how this was going to go from the very moment you responded to my post you had no intention of having a civil debate you're intention was to attack me and get other posters to attack me.

Originally posted by Galan007

*And that's with the additional MotherBox amp.

The fact that nobody this thread will call you out on this post proves my point. Nowhere in that post does it conclusively prove that DD has a vast strength advantage but everyone will side wtih you. That's the whole point, this is gaslighting. So that if you say that 1+1= 3 and I say that 1+1=2 everybody will side with you in order to humiliate me.

So you just assume we side with Galan because you want us to argue in your stead?