Silver Surfer vs HP Doomsday

Anyway take a look at this. Note that even in his own respect thread he states that it's a casual hand-blast.

Originally posted by Galan007
Atomizes Doomsday, with a casual hand-blast:

Then all of a sudden we are supposed to believe that the being uses the same amount of power the whole time (or whatever). It's perfectly logical to think the being saw DD and thought 'who is this gnat?' and just blasted him.

Here's something similar.

https://photobucket.com/gallery/user/Branlactus/media/bWVkaWFJZDoyNjQzMjY1NQ==/?ref=

Is Galactus using his full power in that scan? Of course not both entities see a much inferior being and decide to just casualy blast it. You wouldn't then argue that SS couldn't cut his head off with a board because Hulk survived a blast from Galactus.

Then theres this silly argument that the being is abstract. Well guess who else is.....Galactus.

https://photobucket.com/gallery/user/Branlactus/media/cGF0aDpJbXBvcnRhbmNlL3NpbHZlcnN1cmZlcjE5ODkwMzEyMWJqNC5qcGc=/?ref=

At any rate that's irrelevant might as well argue that his armour is dark blue.

It WAS a casual blast... A casual blast of ENTROPY. What's not computing?

Not that actual evidence matters to you, but in the pages immediately following Imperiex blasting Doomsday, he directs the EXACT SAME type of blast toward Superman -- except Darkseid 'ported Supes away right before the blast killed him:

The important thing to note is that Darkseid explicitly referred to Imperiex's blasts as a "MATTER COLLAPSE AND ENERGY NULL":

...Which is how we know his blasts were Entropy. And like Phil has already said: Entropy is Entropy. The only thing that changes is the scale at which it is applied -- the energy itself is the SAME potency regardless.

It's like the Ultimate Nullifier: whether you use it to nullify a chair, or the entire universe, the energy it generates is the same potency regardless. The only thing that changes is the scale at which it is applied.

Anywho, it shouldn't come as a surprise that Imperiex uses Entropic blasts in this manner, given that he literally IS the very force of Entropy itself(and rebirth):

...Even the Entropy/Aegis armor could generate blasts of pure Entropy, ffs.

Originally posted by Deadline
Is he refering to what happened at the end of H/P Doomsday? because it looks like it destroyed all of him.

Thanks to the events of Zero Hour, Doomsday was actually saved by Brainiac before the Entropy ever touched him:

As far as canon is concerned, Doomsday's skeletal structure can indeed weather the forces of Entropy:

Originally posted by darthgoober
Not sure why teleporting him to the end of time would be necessary just for a forum win. Supes and Waverider were concerned with totally removing DD from the equation, so a temporary win wouldn't do for them. Any form of BFR would suffice for a forum win. And personally I've never understood why solar draining against HP DD to bring him back down to grey suit DOS DD levels isn't an option for someone like Surfer, but hey maybe that's just me.

Probably because DOS DD was dead and buried underground, in a space ship for millions of years, and still had the energy to break out of said prison with one hand casually.

Originally posted by Galan007
Doomsday's 'death' at the end of the H/P arc was retconned, btw.

Thanks to the events of Zero Hour, Doomsday was actually saved by Brainiac before the Entropy ever touched him:

As far as canon is concerned, Doomsday's skeletal structure can indeed weather the forces of Entropy:

..But does this prove DD can't be devolved though?

😂

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
..But does this prove DD can't be devolved though?

Yes 👆

Ok. I want other posters in this thread to comment on this argument. I would like not to hear from either Phil or Galan. I especially if darthgoober is here would like to here what he thinks.

Originally posted by Galan007
Not that actual evidence matters to you, but in the pages immediately following Imperiex blasting Doomsday, he directs the EXACT SAME type of blast toward Superman -- except Darkseid 'ported Supes away right before the blast killed him:

The important thing to note is that Darkseid explicitly referred to Imperiex's blasts as a "MATTER COLLAPSE AND ENERGY NULL":

...Which is how we know his blasts were Entropy. And like Phil has already said: Entropy is Entropy. The only thing that changes is the scale at which it is applied -- the energy itself is the SAME potency regardless.

It's like the Ultimate Nullifier: whether you use it to nullify a chair, or the entire universe, the energy it generates is the same potency regardless. The only thing that changes is the scale at which it is applied.

Anywho, it shouldn't come as a surprise that Imperiex uses Entropic blasts in this manner, given that he literally IS the very force of Entropy itself(and rebirth):

...Even the Entropy/Aegis armor could generate blasts of pure Entropy, ffs.

For now I'm going to say nothing.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I would love to BZ Philo with the loser gaining a 3 month ban

Lol. He's already sent his OP in. It's up.

😆

come on Alberto last chance to stand up and prove you are not a vagine

Originally posted by Deadline
Ok. I want other posters in the is thread to comment on this argument. I would like not to hear from either Phil or Galan. I especially if darthgoober is here would like to here what he thinks.

For now I'm going to say nothing.

Well....I mean, let's say we have a character who has a specific weakness. Let's say it's his.....kryptonite.

If someone hits him with a kryptonite blast, he is affected. There's no degree of kryptonitey-ness. A casual sliver, a bullet's worth, or a ring's worth, affects him like a glove made of it, or a sword made of kryptonite.

So yeah, Batman exposing Superman to a small amount will still mess him up - because it's Kryptonite.

But that's if it is his weakness. On the other hand, let's say we have a character who shoots sand. Let's call him Sandyman. And he fights his arch-nemesis, SpideyLoser.

A casual blast from him - are the sand particles.....less sandy?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well....I mean, let's say we have a character who has a specific weakness. Let's say it's his.....kryptonite.

If someone hits him with a kryptonite blast, he is affected. There's no degree of kryptonitey-ness. A casual sliver, a bullet's worth, or a ring's worth, affects him like a glove made of it, or a sword made of kryptonite.

So yeah, Batman exposing Superman to a small amount will still mess him up - because it's Kryptonite.

But that's if it is his weakness. On the other hand, let's say we have a character who shoots sand. Let's call him Sandyman. And he fights his arch-nemesis, SpideyLoser.

A casual blast from him - are the sand particles.....less sandy?

We both know there are lots of examples in comics of energy have different levels of intensity and different amounts of a substance affecting people.

Originally posted by Deadline
We both know there are lots of examples in comics of energy have different levels of intensity and different amounts of a substance affecting people.

The point being that Entropy is deadly no matter the amounts/intensity. It is literally the end of all things.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The point being that Entropy is deadly no matter the amounts/intensity. It is literally the end of all things.

I understand that but you need to prove it. That is a statement, if you say that statement that doesn't make it true, you need to provide an explanation and evidence.

It looks like you bending over backwards trying to justify those scans, in all fairness I expect a lot of posters to try and justify those scans but it's still interesting to see what they have to say. Which is why I especially named darthgoober.

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85

DS that shows DD trapped in another dmension surrounded by entropy, that doesn't mean that if somebody was using it as an energy blast that you can't vary the power. Where does it conclusively show that you can't do that?

Is a darkfoirce blast the same as being sucked into a darkforce dimension surrounded by darkforce where you're trapped? For starters you can't escape the dimension so clearly that would do more damage.

What is waiting like a ravenous beast, draining all life and energy?

Originally posted by Deadline
DS that shows DD trapped in another dmension surrounded by entropy, that doesn't mean that if somebody was using it as an energy blast that you can't vary the power. Where does it conclusively show that you can't do that?

Is a darkfoirce blast the same as being sucked into a darkforce dimension surrounded by darkforce where you're trapped? For starters you can't escape the dimension so clearly that would do more damage.

I don't understand what your argument is.

Because if it is this:

It seems to me maybe your logic is that since a vastly more powerful being didn't destroy DD's body in one whole go then it means it requires Superman to produce that beings level of power to do it. It doesn't because the being wasn't using anywhere near it's full power it was just casualy using it's power which means that it's entirely possible for Superman using all his power to damage a small area of his body. Y'know an all out Thor has been able to crack Celestial armour right? Saying Thor isn't in this thread would be missing the point.

You're forgetting that Entropy is meant to be the Kryptonite of everything in the DCU. Using your analogy, it is like everyone in Marvel being weak to Darkforce energy.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What is waiting like a ravenous beast, draining all life and energy?

You see heres the problem about what's going on in this thread. You are getting scans and statments which are open to interpretation and then deciding that it can only be interpreted one way.

DD is trapped in another dimension surrounded by entropy. Does a drop of molten lava do the same amount as damage being dropped into a volcanoe? Yes you get the point and before you start telling me that this is entropy and not lava I'll point out that you tried to make an analogy using krptonite and sand. The point being is being trapped in a dimension surrounded by an energy source is clearly more deadly than just being blasted by it.

If I was doing what you're doing I could just look at this scan here.

https://photobucket.com/gallery/user/OneDumbG0/media/bWVkaWFJZDo0MzI0Njk2MQ==/?ref=

What does it say DS? It says Hulk is infinite, if I was to take that at face vaule it would mean that Hulk has infinte power.