Outliers and Max's vs Disregards and Averages

Two questions.

1. Should we consider a character's outlier feats as the exact power level they will be operating in a forum fight or should we disregard them.

For example, Supergirl casually lifted a million tons. Should Supergirl come into every forum fight with at least several million tons of strength or should we disregard the feat?

2. Should we use a character`s highest feat (but not quite an outlier) as the exact power level they will be operating at in a forum or should we use more of an average?

I don't think a universal rule can apply, seeing as every character has different amounts of screen time, feats, writers penning them etc. For me, it depends on how much of an outlier it is, and how many contradictory showings there are.

A good example of this is the last season of Agents of Shield's finale, where Daisy survives an impact that, quite frankly, would have left a super soldier a bloody, broken mess. And she barely sustained any injuries, other than a few cuts and scrapes. But, while she has consistently shown some degree of enhanced durability, none of her other durability feats come even close to this. Not even remotely. And she has also been hurt by less on multiple occasions.

So, personally, that's not a showing I would fall back on when discussing her durability in a forum fight. I'd rather use examples like taking hits from human form Ghost Rider and Kree soldiers, which is a lot more consistently portrayed in the show. Now, if she didn't have all those other feats that consistently portrayed a different level, then I would be more inclined to give that final feat some weight.

Or with Luke Cage, for example. If he only performed one or two headslap KO's, but had to punch people 99% of the time, I'd throw out the headslap KO. But because he does it consistently (especially in Season 2) to the point where even Claire remarked on his ability to do so, I still consider it a valid feat for forum fights, even if he doesn't do it every single time he KOs someone.

What I think should not happen, is if a character displays any hint of super speed or fast movement, then people want to make it seem like in every fight that character will be moving around he battlefield like the flash and their opponents will be statues.
This is dumb and ridiculous.
That would be like me claiming that Bucky moves at super speed all his fights because he was able to dodge gunfire from automatic weapons.

I want to hear what standards H1 thinks should be used.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I want to hear what standards H1 thinks should be used.

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Average should always be what we use. I mean, when you look at a professional basketball player, you don't take the best game he's ever had and expect him to perform every game at that level. Neither do you take the worst game he's ever had and apply that as his expected output in every game.

Well then, lets use a popular character who has a wide range of feats, some of which are quite controversial and has had multiple powerups as an example so we can all get on the same page then.

Take Thors star feat for example. Ok, it's an obvious outlier but it's the most current feat, so do we say, ok, he has had a recent power amp or upgrade and he is obviously capable of operating at this level now but do we average it out or say it's a constant because it's the most current.

Just like Thor, Justice League portrayed Supes as nigh untouchable in regards to both speed and strength, but it is his most current portrayal.

So I personally feel like both Superman and Thor should operate at their current levels of portrayal, they have gotten an upgrade and it is what it is. These two simply operate at a much higher level than their peers.

Can Superman flash around 100% of a fight? No, but he can do it enough that the point is moot because the fight is gonna be over quickly regardless.

Can Thor be hurt by less than billions of tons of heat and matter hitting him? Yeah, but his durability is far and above anything anybody can really dish out.

These are their current portrayals so I feel like most of their low feats should be inadmissible due to being obvious upgrades.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Average should always be what we use. I mean, when you look at a professional basketball player, you don't take the best game he's ever had and expect him to perform every game at that level. Neither do you take the worst game he's ever had and apply that as his expected output in every game.

I agree with this unless they have had an obvious upgrade like my last post states.

Or if they have an external power source. So Iron Man will always operate at whatever his current suit being used is capable of

My take is to use an average. Because using outlier feats (unless it's a clear writer's intent upgrade) as how a character will perform in a forum is outright asinine and a damn lie. It will warp every showing in the movies where we get ridiculous shit that's simply not true.

I have used highest showings because others have. It would be stupid for anyone to use average where others uses max feats. Bottomline, we should all be on the same page for whatever we choose. And it should reflect common portrayals against characters who the character of question has fought against.

If you use average, why do you keep trying to use the bullet catch for Ozy?

Originally posted by Silent Master
If you use average, why do you keep trying to use the bullet catch for Ozy?

Reading is fundamental. I never stated that I used averages.

Originally posted by h1a8

I have used highest showings because others have. It would be stupid for anyone to use average where others uses max feats.

IOW, you are willing to go against your principles if it helps your argument.

BTW, h1 has once again just proven himself a liar. if you look at the most recent Ozy vs Panther thread you'll notice that it was h1 that first brought up high-end outliers.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f102/t658603.html

So this idea that he only does so because other people do it, is a lie.

Originally posted by Silent Master
BTW, h1 has once again just proven himself a liar. if you look at the most recent Ozy vs Panther thread you'll notice that it was h1 that first brought up high-end outliers.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f102/t658603.html

So this idea that he only does so because other people do it, is a lie.

If you don't understand what that means then you are not worth a discussion. Everyone here can clearly see how stupid you are.

Originally posted by h1a8
You are incredibly slow. Again I use high end feats because others do.

If you don't understand what that means then you are not worth a discussion. Everyone here can clearly see how stupid you are.

You were the first to use high end feats in that thread.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You were the first to use high end feats in that thread.

Proof that you are stupid.

So you dont know what "I use (as all the time) high end feats because others do (all the time in every thread)" means?

Changing your quote and then pretending that was your original claim, just further proof that you're a liar.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Changing your quote and then pretending that was your original claim, just further proof that you're a liar.

I don't need to change anything.
You are the only one here that apparently doesn't know what
"I used the highest showings because others have" mean.

Maybe it's the word "have".
Here's a hint: That word implies the past, not the present.

Original quote

Originally posted by h1a8
I have used highest showings because others have. It would be stupid for anyone to use average where others uses max feats.

Your changed quote

Originally posted by h1a8
Proof that you are stupid.

So you dont know what "I use (as all the time) high end feats because others do (all the time in every thread)" means?

h1 = liar

Originally posted by Silent Master
Original quote

Your changed quote

h1 = liar

You are the one who doesn't understand
"I used the highest showings because others have." mean

Apparently "others have" somehow doesn't mean the past.