Darth Malgus vs Darth Caedus

Originally posted by AncientPower

Nah, Malgus and Imperial Outlander basically have a Legolas/Gimli rivalry throughout it and neither appear to have an edge on the other. Malgus as of False Emperor is clearly not his prime anymore. Though it is interesting that HoTlander admits that he couldn't outskill Malgus in a duel.

Yeah sure during their rivalry neither has the edge but that doesn't mean Malgus is as strong given all they do is fight Troopers together.

I Also think there's some quotes which label Malgus as "as strong as ever" during Jedi Under Seige implying he isn't more powerful than he was in FE.

It's also worth considering that the Outlander could have lost all the amps Valk gave him during KOTFE and KOTET.

But yeah, Aryn Leneer having the strength to percieve hyperspace as a 'slow crawl' is one of the most insane feats of perception in the mythos. Yet she gets even stronger after that feat and still gets stomped once Malgus gets properly serious. Before his prime in that novel he's matching the engines of a freighter with his telekinesis, which is itself insane. All of this is a serious low-showing for him by the time of Jedi Under Siege.

Good feat for Aryn sure but not exactly sure how this relates to Caedus. Also saying it was once Malgus was "properly serious" is highly misleading. He only overpowered her once he gets a rage amp and was equalled by her earlier in the novel (please note that I am aware the amp was permanent).

As for the freighter feat it's the same with the previous feats. Good feat but nothing I can't see caedus replicating.

Malgus is an absolute behemoth.

I agree but I think Caedus wins by a fair margin.

They fought far more than just troops, they fought everything up to Gnost-Dural together. The intent was clear, Malgus is a beast who is being set up to take over the Empire as the original face of SWTOR. He's going to be the big bad going forward, and it makes sense, vecause he's literally the only one with the popularity to take Valkorion's incomparable mantle. They literally added to his height to make him even more BAMF than before.

Vowrawn's estimation is only useful in saying that Malgus wasn't just Mustafar'd by FE's defeat. He is unmistakably even stronger than before.

Nah, it was Aryn with a rage amp that got the boost. Malgus was pretty much just feeling sorry for her before she got TKO'd by his pretty much casual, one-handed lightning. He beats her when he takes pity on her. Yet none of this matters, because the novel ends with his raw connection to the dark-side being purified by murdering his wife Eleena Daru.

This is precisely where Darth Sidious goes out of his way to point out that Darth Malgus had figured out how to unlock the dark-side's power in ways Sidious himself was employing. Channelling rage via willpower, becoming the 'eye of the storm' rather than being unbalanced by the storm. And a bunch of other flowery terms. This has been confirmed by the author of Book of Sith too.

Yet this is still just the end of Decieved. Malgus has over a decade of power growth afterwards, described to be 'daily' no less. Exactly the term used to describe Jacen's frightening power growth. (Well, Caedus' but he was still hiding the fact he was Sith from the Jedi at this point.) The major difference being that Caedus died before he could see his power growth though. Malgus by comparison has just hit 71 years old on Ossus and has had all the time in the world to achieve his prime.

Malgus is just more impressive, because at this point his feats in the Battle of Coruscant are about as pre-prime as TPM feats are to ROTS Sidious.

Will respond tomorrow.

Malgus wins

Originally posted by DeviantDefiance
Malgus wins

Yes. :3

Originally posted by Geistalt
Yes. :3

YES. :3

Malgus also fails to actually kill Gnost Dural which is pretty tragic. Even Malora had a good laugh at that :>

Bantha was right about Gnost Dural all along!?

Caedus still wrecks.

Originally posted by Geistalt
YES. :3

Originally posted by Selenial
Malgus also fails to actually kill Gnost Dural which is pretty tragic. Even Malora had a good laugh at that :>

Gnost-Dural was much more than a Jedi Historian on the other hand.

Having reviewed the file the Jedi sent over, however, Theron knew he was more than a mere historian. Gnost-Dural was also an accomplished warrior; he'd been battling the Sith ever since their startling reemergence on the galactic stage, longer than Theron had even been alive.

- Star Wars: Old Republic Annihilation

In fact, hype factor is through the roof now:-

In your fight, join forces with the galaxy's most powerful Jedi Masters and Sith Lords – old and new – including seasoned Jedi Tau Idair, Master Gnost-Dural, and the ruthless Dark Councilor Darth Malora.

- Star Wars: The Old Republic: Jedi Under Siege

Originally posted by HP Legend
Originally posted by AncientPower
I Also think there's some quotes which label Malgus as "as strong as ever" during Jedi Under Seige implying he isn't more powerful than he was in FE.

Recovered from the wreckage of his coup attempt and revived with a dizzying array of exotic and cutting-edge technologies, Darth Malgus is as powerful and ruthless as ever. His face bears even more scars, his body even more cybernetics; his armor has been reconstructed and enhanced to increase his strength and endurance still further.

- Star Wars: The Old Republic: Jedi Under Siege

Originally posted by HP Legend
It's also worth considering that the Outlander could have lost all the amps Valk gave him during KOTFE and KOTET.

Originally posted by HP Legend
As for the freighter feat it's the same with the previous feats. Good feat but nothing I can't see caedus replicating.

As I said previously I'm currently incredibly busy and don't have time to respond right now.

Will respond over the weekend.

you can't be busy as a 12 year old bro, sorry to say it

Originally posted by Intr3pId
you can't be busy as a 12 year old bro, sorry to say it

I can give at least 5-10 feats Caedus has Malgus isn't replicating in his wildest fantasies.