galactus invades OA

Originally posted by leonidas
I cannot be the only one fed up with the lowballing in this thread....? So the conclusion you want us to reach zop is that MULTIPLE lanterns can literally one shot celestials now? And by extension MULTIPLE lanterns can one shot starbrand. Wtf is happening in this thread?

You telling me the elite Lanterns (Hal, Guy, John, etc...) and the more impressive Guardians (like Ganthet) are LESS powerful than Sue or Johnny with the CCR?

Originally posted by zopzop
Ok, so let's assume you are 100% right and that Sol's Anvil was packing more power than just a fraction of the Sun's energy output. What does it prove?

The Rogue Celestials were a joke. Hickman's Starbrand one shot killed one of them and survived a sucker attack by another. And according to Hickman, the Starbrand is nothing more than planetary at best.

So 4 planet amp Galactus (and later Adult Franklin with Kid Franklin's power) was up against beings that were capable of being one shot killed by Hickman's Starbrand! 😆

I'm almost 100% sure that elite GL's are packing planet busting power. Now add in the Guardians and it's lights out for poor Galactus.

The Merged Celestial(which is what Sol's Anvil one-shotted) was obviously FAR more powerful than the individual sum of its parts. For example, this amped Galactus was able to contend with 4 Mad Celestials individually, yet was gesturely beaten/killed by a single hand-blast after they merged. That's a difference in power/scale of many orders of magnitude.

That said, the individual Mad Celestials were still portrayed as immensely powerful at the end. It was outright stated that adult Franklin could not defeat the remaining 3 by himself:

And in the very same issue, the Celestials themselves acknowledged that Franklin is a UNIVERSAL power:

IOW, Sol's Anvil >>> Merged Celestial >>> amped Galactus ~/> 4 Mad Celestials > 3 Mad Celestials > a UNIVERSAL power(ie. Franklin.)

You know, I'm now going to use the statement Abhi has been using to lowball Sol's Anvil to make it look even more impressive.

"It's the energy of the Sun focused on a fixed point butressted by the planet Earth"

Why insist this is happening on a fixing point? Because what the Sol Anvil's does is an energy singularity. Can you actually put a Sun's worth of energy in no-volume at all? (which is the mathematical meaning of a point) Imagine the absurd chain reaction that would come from that. If anything this description puts the Sol Anvil's well above a weaponized black hole.

Holy sh_t Abhi, you finally made me realize what a fearful weapon this is, thanks for fixating on that line 👆

Originally posted by zopzop
And according to Hickman, the Starbrand is nothing more than planetary at best.

Originally posted by zopzop
IMHO that means he's packing a lot more than just planet busting power.

I may have found the secret f XLR87t3...
mhmm

Originally posted by abhilegend
Galaxy was swept clean of the annihilation wave, not destroyed entirely.

You can see the position where Galactus was on the first scan.

Galactus was on the edge of kree galaxy, obviously none of the kree galaxy was destroyed. Because those conquered worlds were ceded to centurions after the war.

So, what did Galactus actually destroy? A galaxy? No chance.

The scan says they were all in Kree fringe territory, not the edges of their own galaxy, which could easily mean they were in the furthest reaches of the Kree empire, which we know extends into other galaxies.

Thanos said the Annihilation Wave was obliterated AND the galaxy swept clean, not that the galaxy was swept clean of the Annihilation wave. It was an omnidirectional blast which destroyed indiscriminately, which is why we saw Galactus teleport Drax and Moondragon away to safety on an unknown planet, several planets engulfed and destroyed immediately in the blast along with a Watcher (which are supposed to be roughly on par with Celestials in power).

Next, we see an Annihilation fleet shitting themselves and fleeing Hala (which I assume is somewhere much more centered in the Kree's home galaxy), because Galactus' blast had already destroyed three star systems, and showed no signs of slowing.

Star systems. Not planetary/solar systems. Star systems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_system

A star system or stellar system is a small number of stars that orbit each other,[1] bound by gravitational attraction. A large number of stars bound by gravitation is generally called a star cluster or galaxy, although, broadly speaking, they are also star systems. Star systems are not to be confused with planetary systems, which include planets and similar bodies [such as comets.]

And we know even the closest stars are still pretty damned far apart.

http://boojum.as.arizona.edu/~jill/EPO/Stars/galaxy.html

Although galaxies look like dense concentrations of stars they are really very empty. In the Milky Way, the average distance between stars is about 5 light years, or 30 trillion miles.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I thought u said...

This is awkward.

I may have found the secret f XLR87t3...
mhmm

Celestials on par with Watcher power.

Wasn't Uatu killed by a plain old gun?

I mean, Nick Fury killed him. Not exactly packing Celestial power there. Even the Mindless One's are nowhere close.

Originally posted by cdtm
Celestials on par with Watcher power.

Wasn't Uatu killed by a plain old gun?

I mean, Nick Fury killed him. Not exactly packing Celestial power there. Even the Mindless One's are nowhere close.

Plenty of inconsistencies involving characters written by several different people over more than half a century.

The Watchers and the Celestials have always been at odds with each other, apparently, and it makes sense. Watchers observe the evolution of life, while Celestials manipulate it.

I'd bet on the average Celestial over the average Watcher any day, but the fact that they'd been warring for eons suggests their average power is pretty close, as neither side seems to have a number advantage over the other.

Originally posted by Galan007

IOW, Sol's Anvil >>> Merged Celestial >>> amped Galactus ~/> 4 Mad Celestials > 3 Mad Celestials > a UNIVERSAL power(ie. Franklin.)

lol you stole my scan! i intended on using the franklin comparison too. 👆

but wait, if the celestials were going to kill franklin, a universal power (hopefully someone will come along and lowball franklin too....) then does THAT put them above high herald level? mmm

kidding aside, hickman CLEARLY intended for the celestials to be immensely powerful. i mean their implied goal was to conquer the MULTIVERSE after all, as well as being the ones responsible for the near complete destruction of the council of reeds. if you need a reminder of just what the reeds were capable of, spend some time looking back at fan four 571. just take a look at how many ultimate nullifiers they have, not to mention IG's (which helped turn the tide of the initial battle for a time) anyway, the reeds accomplished RIDICULOUS feats. and while they put up a hell of a fight, (as they damn well should have) we see them finally thrashed for good by arishem and the others in later fan four and ff issues.

the fact that the mad celestials were too powerful for franklin and finished off the reeds is MORE than enough info to gauge their overall level of power.

Originally posted by leonidas
just take a look at how many ultimate nullifiers they have

Originally posted by Insane Titan
it never said it destroyed the Kree galaxy. It says the Annihilation wave was swept clean from the galaxy. Meaning Annihilus forces was the thing taken care of in the blast. Just stop trying to twist everything for your gain all the time it makes you look bad.

What?

Originally posted by leonidas
geezus abhi, this sh!t is bad even by your own standards and you're starting to p!ss me off. i'll get to your nonsense and complete misinterpretations (i'll refrain from saying outright lies....) tomorrow at some point. seriously.

Originally posted by Galan007
Okay, I don't see how we're still acting like Sol's Anvil *only* channeled a fraction of the sun's energy..?

It was explicitly stated on panel that the Negative Zone was only ONE of FOUR additional "POWER SOURCES" for the Anvil:

*The energy to power the Anvil comes from a stable geothermal vent under Old Atlantis, a dynamo in the Blue Area of the moon, and the High Evolutionary's Ascension Engine, all focused through a portal to the Negative Zone.

And as we learned early in Hickman's run, all of these "POWER SOURCES" rest on a common, intertwined axis(which also helps explain why those particular sources were chosen to power the Anvil):

**For what it's worth, note the bottom equation- [b]"Height of energy: infinitysquared"

And just before the Merged Celestial was blasted, ALL FOUR of those additional "POWER SOURCES" were channeled by the Anvil:

Hence Reed's comment after said "POWER SOURCES" were being focused: "Powering up the weapon. Accessing nodes [...] It's on. Energy readings are steady, and... My God, the power of this thing."

C'mon now... ermm [/B]

"The power of the sun channeled through a fixed point buttressed by the earth herself".

The "four nodes" were fixed points through which the power was channeled. Not power source. Even the scan where the energy is drawn from sun, the blue energy signature of the four nodes just encircled earth and the yellow energy signature of the sun blasts celestials.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/40247786/Fantastic_Four_603-011.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/40247787/Fantastic_Four_603-012.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/40247788/Fantastic_Four_603-013.jpg.html

even a regular galactus can easily blast solar systems and Nova once survived a straight to head Solar blaster from Galactus..And this is him devoured 4 large planets

you're using feats of a Galactus that didn't feed on 4 planets.

Originally posted by carver9
Abhi stop

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... abhi, in order for the GALAXY to be swept clean of the annihilation wave by Galactus, lol, that means that Galactus blast had to cover the entire Galaxy. If I swept a house clean of termites, that doesnt mean i just touched the living room.

Yeah, except Annihhilus forces hadn't been across the whole galaxy. Maybe you should read the comic first.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
The scan says they were all in Kree fringe territory, not the edges of their own galaxy, which could easily mean they were in the furthest reaches of the Kree empire, which we know extends into other galaxies.

Not according to Annihilation event itself where kree empire was stated to be over 1000 worlds only.

And the kree galaxy is way too small compared to milky way galaxy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Magellanic_Cloud

Thanos said the Annihilation Wave was obliterated AND the galaxy swept clean, not that the galaxy was swept clean of the Annihilation wave. It was an omnidirectional blast which destroyed indiscriminately, which is why we saw Galactus teleport Drax and Moondragon away to safety on an unknown planet, several planets engulfed and destroyed immediately in the blast along with a Watcher (which are supposed to be roughly on par with Celestials in power).

Nothing said it was galaxy wide. Or a galaxy was destroyed. Because that would be absurd considering all the conquered worlds were ceded to centurions.

Nova and Annihilus survived the blast straight up. Should we consider them more powerful than celestials now?

Next, we see an Annihilation fleet shitting themselves and fleeing Hala (which I assume is somewhere much more centered in the Kree's home galaxy), because Galactus' blast had already destroyed three star systems, and showed no signs of slowing.

Star systems. Not planetary/solar systems. Star systems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_system

And we know even the closest stars are still pretty damned far apart.

http://boojum.as.arizona.edu/~jill/EPO/Stars/galaxy.html

Then its good that the blast never reached to Hala and star systems are generally interchanged with solar system in comics.

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

Yeah, except Annihhilus forces hadn't been across the whole galaxy. Maybe you should read the comic first.

There's a first time for everything.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
even a regular galactus can easily blast solar systems and Nova once survived a straight to head Solar blaster from Galactus..And this is him devoured 4 large planets

you're using feats of a Galactus that didn't feed on 4 planets.

Originally posted by leonidas
lol you stole my scan! i intended on using the franklin comparison too. 👆

but wait, if the celestials were going to kill franklin, a universal power (hopefully someone will come along and lowball franklin too....) then does THAT put them above high herald level? mmm

kidding aside, hickman CLEARLY intended for the celestials to be immensely powerful. i mean their implied goal was to conquer the MULTIVERSE after all, as well as being the ones responsible for the near complete destruction of the council of reeds. if you need a reminder of just what the reeds were capable of, spend some time looking back at fan four 571. just take a look at how many ultimate nullifiers they have, not to mention IG's (which helped turn the tide of the initial battle for a time) anyway, the reeds accomplished RIDICULOUS feats. and while they put up a hell of a fight, (as they damn well should have) we see them finally thrashed for good by arishem and the others in later fan four and ff issues.

the fact that the mad celestials were too powerful for franklin and finished off the reeds is MORE than enough info to gauge their overall level of power.

Let's see if I can post some "universal feats".

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hal creates a universe.

Just about every lantern has done it BTW.

That enough for you?

Originally posted by abhilegend
The "four nodes" were fixed points through which the power was channeled. Not power source. Even the scan where the energy is drawn from sun, the blue energy signature of the four nodes just encircled earth and the yellow energy signature of the sun blasts celestials.

The scan explicitly refers to those "nodes" as "POWER SOURCES". Hence why the Anvil couldn't be used without first accessing those "POWER SOURCES". Hence why Reed freaked out over the Anvil's energy output after ALL FOUR of those "POWER SOURCES" were channeled.

Don't keep doing... What you're doing.