Originally posted by jaden_2.0
I said it's something to aspire to. "It" being the transition away from a fossil fuel based primary energy source. I even contextualised that statement with basic technological and economic examples to show how the idea is feasible.Is that an endorsement of every minutiae and timescale set out in the plan?
I would say clearly not.
When you say shit like this it sounds kinda like her "it's better to be morally right than factually right" bullshit.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
I said it's something to aspire to. "It" being the transition away from a fossil fuel based primary energy source. I even contextualised that statement with basic technological and economic examples to show how the idea is feasible.Is that an endorsement of every minutiae and timescale set out in the plan?
I would say clearly not.
My question was specifically about if you support her green new deal. not if you just agree in general to getting away from fossil fuels.
Do you support the specific plan she put forward?
Originally posted by Surtur
You should know she put a bunch of other shit along with it. If she was serious about the climate stuff I don't see why she did this.
I know she did because I already mentioned that I didn't read those parts. Nor do I intend to because, while the climate change aspects have potentially global implications, the social policies are a US domestic issue.
I'll grant you that it is strange to throw so many things into 1 proposed piece of legislation. I don't know how common it is to do that in US politics but its certainly odd to me as our parliament have what are known as private member's bills that are put forward by non-government and non-shadow cabinet MPs and are usually very specific. They're also almost never implemented and are merely a way to get certain issues debated in the house.
To add to something that I said about the lack of will. It's actually quite sad, to me anyway. The US used to be the country with both the vision and the cold hard cash to make big leaps. Consider JFK's speech about going to the moon.
We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard; because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one we intend to win
Imagine having the defeatist attitude throughout history of "if we can't do it right now then we shouldn't even try".
You'd still be lighting the streets with whale oil nevermind gas lamps then electricity. You'd never have the transcontinental railroad and other huge infrastructure projects.
This is partly what I mean when I say the US is stagnating with regards to technological innovation. Meanwhile China and France and plowing ahead with huge investment in fusion energy and LFTR while political dogma and powerful lobbying interests infest the US corridors of power.
Disheartening, frankly.
When it comes to Climate Change, Southpark hit it right in the head with their ManBearPig skit. "It's a lie!" gets shifted to "Well, it's likely too late to do anything about it now, so why bother."
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
To add to something that I said about the lack of will. It's actually quite sad, to me anyway. The US used to be the country with both the vision and the cold hard cash to make big leaps. Consider JFK's speech about going to the moon.Imagine having the defeatist attitude throughout history of "if we can't do it right now then we shouldn't even try".
You'd still be lighting the streets with whale oil nevermind gas lamps then electricity. You'd never have the transcontinental railroad and other huge infrastructure projects.
This is partly what I mean when I say the US is stagnating with regards to technological innovation. Meanwhile China and France and plowing ahead with huge investment in fusion energy and LFTR while political dogma and powerful lobbying interests infest the US corridors of power.
Disheartening, frankly.
Actually now that I think about it you can disregard all this because SPACE FORCE!!!
Originally posted by Robtard
^Another libtard who fell for the "Chinese hoax" of climate change.
The thing about climate change is that most people *do* acknowledge it, the question is over just exactly how much of an impact we're having and what to do about it.
And I don't think it's wrong to wonder how correct the science has been when it comes to these predictions, etc.
Shit like "Climate-gate" didn't help.
Originally posted by Surtur
The thing about climate change is that most people *do* acknowledge it, the question is over just exactly how much of an impact we're having and what to do about it.And I don't think it's wrong to wonder how correct the science has been when it comes to these predictions, etc.
Shit like "Climate-gate" didn't help.
It would be nice if instead of coming at it from "green" we simply decide that as a nation we want to advance as quickly as possible future technologies and infrastructure.
It doesn't take rocket science to see that many of the less developed countries will dump more trash and pollute more simply due to their populations and massive poverty.
What about places like China too? Aren't they increasing their coal usage?
If we wanna have a meaningful impact it seems like every country would need to get on board.
The 10 year goal the green deal sets just doesn't seem plausible. And I see Corey Booker saying stupid shit in response to these kinds of criticisms like "they said going to the moon was impossible too".
Originally posted by Surtur
What about places like China too? Aren't they increasing their coal usage?If we wanna have a meaningful impact it seems like every country would need to get on board.
The 10 year goal the green deal sets just doesn't seem plausible. And I see Corey Booker saying stupid shit in response to these kinds of criticisms like "they said going to the moon was impossible too".
It doesn't take rocket science to see that many of the less developed countries will dump more trash and pollute more simply due to their populations and massive poverty.
China dumps so much pollution into the world that if we are going to use that as a measuring stick to how we want to measure the USA we already failed.
Does that mean if you can't change the world you would never better yourself?
Originally posted by Surtur
What about places like China too? Aren't they increasing their coal usage?If we wanna have a meaningful impact it seems like every country would need to get on board.
China generates more electricity from renewables than any other country on the planet and more than twice as much as the no 2 country (the US) and it's % of power from renewables increases every year.
It's the top country in the Clean Development Mechanism from the Kyoto Protocol.
It's one of the only countries in the world increasing its nuclear energy capacity.
There are 3 countries that didn't sign up for Kyoto. One of them was the US.
There are only 2 countries that didn't ratify the Paris agreement. Syria and Nicaragua. Only 1 is threatening to withdraw from it...the US.