Originally posted by Philosophía
Franklin, decisively.
Kubik crushed post Recton Beyonder in his own universe and was about to crush it all till Shaper stepped in and stopped him. Even post retcon, Beyonder was a monster with many of his multiversal level feats still valid.
It's fairly straightforward.
Kubik:
https://imgur.com/a/0VX14aP
Franklin:
https://imgur.com/a/yo86Gpe
Originally posted by zopzopThere's an implication that 616 Galactus just shelled himself off from Secret Wars in his own gravity well. If that's the case, then it's especially questionable of the Galactus that Shaper created.
How? Cubes and Cube Beings have feats that crap all over Franklin. Shaper of Worlds' power was enough to recreate the universe after God Doom's shenanigans. It was even great enough to RECREATE (not just resurrect) cosmic beings like Galactus.
Originally posted by Philosophía
It's fairly straightforward.
Kubik:
https://imgur.com/a/0VX14aP
Franklin:
https://imgur.com/a/yo86Gpe
Adult Franklin BFRed the Rogue Trio into 'the heart of a nearby gas giant". The Rogue Trio was actually baffled/confused by what was going on and it bought the FF and Franklin time to plan. Since they were all on Earth, the 'nearby gas giant" was either Jupiter or Saturn (probably Jupiter since it's closer to Earth). So Franklin tped them into Jupiter or Saturn dozens of millions of miles away from Earth and the Rogue Trio was disoriented.
Now let's compare this to what an immature Kubik went through :
Super Adaptoid tps Kubik into the LARGEST black hole in the Andromeda Galaxy. Black holes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gas giants. Andromeda Galaxy is hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of LIGHT YEARS distant from Earth. Kubik isn't hurt or even disoriented/confused. He easily gets out and alters the black hole so he can observe it later for fun. What's even crazier, Kubik wants to avoid a fight with the Adaptoid, not because he fears him, but because the fight would shred the fabric of existence and spill into infinite dimensions and adjacent universes.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Uhh... whatAre you arguing that the gas giant confused them and not instantly appearing somewhere else?
An immature didn't skip a beat being BFRed millions of light years away into a black hole.
Imagine if Franklin tped them into a star or a black hole light years away? The Rogue Trio would be screwed.
Originally posted by Bentley
I love how Franklin dazzling three Celestials is thrown here as a low feat.
Three Rogue Celestials were dazed/confused for a little while by being tped a couple of million miles away into a gas giant (Jupiter).
An Immature Kubik was completely unfazed after being tped millions of LIGHT YEARS into the LARGEST BLACK HOLE in the Andromeda Galaxy. In fact, he laughed at the attempt.
This wasn't meant to be the end all be all comparison between the characters. Just showing how each reacted to being BFRed. Kubik had it worse than the Rogues and handled it infinitely better.
The scan with Kubik laughing off the BFR attempt had the real prize. A war between Kubik and his equal, the Adaptoid with Kubik's power, would have destroyed the fabric of creation and extended into infinite dimensions and adjacent universes.
Then we have Kubik tooling post retcon Beyonder and his entire universe. Post Retcon Beyonder still had numerous impressive multiversal feats to his name.
Finally we have a little girl tapping into Kubik's power (while he was still immature) and removing all the stars in the universe and putting them into a pocket dimension she created inside a bag (Defenders 150). The reason why she didn't outright destroy all existence is because she was a child and had a limited understanding of the universe as a whole.
Originally posted by zopzop
It really isn't though.Adult Franklin BFRed the Rogue Trio into 'the heart of a nearby gas giant". The Rogue Trio was actually baffled/confused by what was going on and it bought the FF and Franklin time to plan. Since they were all on Earth, the 'nearby gas giant" was either Jupiter or Saturn (probably Jupiter since it's closer to Earth). So Franklin tped them into Jupiter or Saturn dozens of millions of miles away from Earth and the Rogue Trio was disoriented.
Now let's compare this to what an immature Kubik went through :
Super Adaptoid tps Kubik into the LARGEST black hole in the Andromeda Galaxy. Black holes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gas giants. Andromeda Galaxy is hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of LIGHT YEARS distant from Earth. Kubik isn't hurt or even disoriented/confused. He easily gets out and alters the black hole so he can observe it later for fun. What's even crazier, Kubik wants to avoid a fight with the Adaptoid, not because he fears him, but because the fight would shred the fabric of existence and spill into infinite dimensions and adjacent universes.
What issue and comic is this?
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
What issue and comic is this?
The Rogue Celestial scan is from Fantastic Four 603.
The Kubik/Adaptoid scans are from The Avengers 289 and 290.
The Kubik vs post Rectcon Beyonder fight happened in Fantastic Four 319.
The little girl tapping into baby Kubik's power and bfring stars across the universe into a pocket dimension she created in a pouch happened in Defenders 150.
It's not the location or distance that's confusing Zop. It's appearing in a completely different place when you expect to fight someone.
If you went to fight someone and all of the sudden you appeared two miles away in a room full of glory holes at peak hours you'd be confused too. Likely just as confused as you getting teleported 9000 kilometers away in a room full of sideways pussies. You might find the pussies more interesting than you thought before you seen them, but even though they're your weakness, that doesn't mean you have to be in shock from them. Maybe you'd be shocked from being ported to a pussy room, but let's imagine you've been to pussy rooms before like SA has.
It's not like "Oh pussies, I am now confused because of the waft off pussy strongly permeating the air," it's more like getting confused by being somewhere else when you expected to get blasted. There's two layers to this. Frank raised his hand with no visible attack and they were instantly gone.
We didn't get the initial shock of SA, but we know the black hole didn't throw him off. That's it. It's not like the sight of ****ing gas giants is enough to throw Celestials in disarray, it's more that they got confused by being ported away suddenly. Wolverine creating holograms of Gas Giants with his heat claws by reflecting light masterfully wouldn't throw Celestials off in fight.
And it also proves nothing even if... the rest is fine. Your tp point is not the best