The National Emergency

Started by Surtur10 pages

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
CEO: I am going to withhold pay from employees until the CFO agrees to give me company funds to build a wall around the office.

CFO: We have a contract with employees to pay them for their work. Their pay is not a bargaining chip you can leverage to get funds from Accounting.

Surtur: Nah, the CFO should work with the CEO to give him what he wants.

*shrugs* Okay, then don't give him what he wants. Then we can waste lots of energy on stupid bullshit.

What’s legitimately retarded is the Democrats who say we should tear down the already existing barriers kek.

Like that’s retarded. They already exist they’ve already been paid for, all it is is stupid woke virtue signaling about how much they hate Trump and borders.

Yes. Tear down All the Wall....Except for the ones around their neighborhoods.. Those walls are OK!!!

AOC don't get the Diff between Wall of Berlin and Border Wall....DERP!

Originally posted by Emperordmb
What’s legitimately retarded is the Democrats who say we should tear down the already existing barriers kek.

Like that’s retarded. They already exist they’ve already been paid for, all it is is stupid woke virtue signaling about how much they hate Trump and borders.

Which democrats have said that?

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Which democrats have said that?

This is a legit question. I couldn't find anything to back up his point in less than 30 seconds so I gave up.

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand said she "could support" Beto O'Rourke's idea of tearing down existing barriers at the U.S. southern border.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/feb/15/kirsten-gillibrand-support-tear-down-border-barrie/

Originally posted by Silent Master
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/feb/15/kirsten-gillibrand-support-tear-down-border-barrie/

There it is.

I always give up on fact-checking someone else's claims when it takes more than 30 seconds. Then I move the burden of proof onto the claimer. I don't think "citation needed" whining is contributing to a discussion unless it's a rather obscure fact/study that is hard to find. "Find it yourself" is my policy. You really can just "google it."

Gillibrand and O'Rourke

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Wow, that is the exact opposite of reality. Trump does not trust our intelligence agencies, and regularly insults them.

Yes he does but who is he refering to? There are lots of people in intelligency agencies some good some bad. Like I've been saying the problem is the highier up you go the more corrupt it is. A lot of regular agents don't like what's going but are sometimes forced into doing things they don't want to do.

There is essentialy a cold Civil War going on in America right now.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Gillibrand and O'Rourke

Good thing they're not considering running for president!

Originally posted by Deadline
A lot of regular agents don't like what's going but are sometimes forced into doing things they don't want to do.

I vos onlee following odaaz.

This will fail... Just as the shutdown failed.. anyone who sees this as anything other than an autocratic grab for power by an impetous man child is naive beyond belief

What’s legitimately retarded is the Democrats who say we should tear down the already existing barriers kek.

Like that’s retarded. They already exist they’ve already been paid for, all it is is stupid woke virtue signaling about how much they hate Trump and borders.


Nah. Borders need empirical justification for their removal to be "retarded". There's no moral or principal need for borders. The only sort of case there's to be made is a pragmatic one. It's perfectly possible the lack of borders is bad for our economy or our citizens, in which case, the existince of such borders makes sense. If it isn't, then it doesn't really matter, and if it's bad, then they should be torn down.

Illegal immigration is a problem only as it may pose an economic or safety threat for us. That democrats and republicans both have agreed to increase border security suggests that this justification is present, but I would like to see a harrison-equse break down of the effect of illegal immigrants.

All that being said, the notion that we're in need of new policy against illegal immigration seems unfounded:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/fact-check-trump-border-crossings-declining-.html

The current policy seems to be working fine. SO what exactly is the point of morally negative actions like the separation of families? A kid being sperated form their parents is indeed a moral wronging of the kid and hence such an act warrants an overwhelming empirical madate.

You mean get rid of the concept of borders in general and just let literally anyone come into the US?

The Left in their pursuit to Unite all Nations will first have to Destroy All that People have fought and Died to Create.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
I vos onlee following odaaz.

I don't want to give them the benefit of the doubt entirely but when people WANT to do something and the highier ups aren't letting them and theres a whole network of these people (they're not just agents, but politicians, judge etc) you gotta have some consideration.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]The Left in their pursuit to Unite all Nations will first have to Destroy All that People have fought and Died to Create. [/B]

I'm okay with humans figuring out how to be one planet, united in science and entertainment.

Best future for earth is main timeline Star Trek.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm okay with humans figuring out how to be one planet, united in science and entertainment.

Best future for earth is main timeline Star Trek.

A future where some arbitrary directive takes precedence over an entire world dying. A future where someone elses lifes work, and person unto himself, was drafted to create an army of disposable slaves.

Beautifully empathetic future, the Federation. 👆

Originally posted by cdtm
A future where some arbitrary directive takes precedence over an entire world dying.

You mean the long and hotly debated Prime Directive that is constantly violated at almost every juncture when it comes up? You mean the episode where Data violates the Prime Directive and they save the planet, anyway, despite the ethics violation that this causes?

You mean the Prime Directive that violates morality but upholds ethics?

That Prime Directive? 🙂

Edit - This happens in Season 2, episode 15. It's a touching episode where Data's humanity is explored with a very nice capstone finish to the episode. I liked it a lot when I watched it as a kid.

Originally posted by cdtm
A future where someone elses lifes work, and person unto himself, was drafted to create an army of disposable slaves.

You mean Season 2 episode 9 where Data is put on trial to prove he has personhood/sapience and is not just a machine where he successfully defends himself as being sapient and autonomous?

Originally posted by cdtm
Beautifully empathetic future, the Federation. 👆

Yes, sure seems like it. You brought up two great examples where the ruling is in the direction you think it should morally go. Not sure if you intended that. 🙂

Did you bring up the fact that money is useless, food shortages are no longer a problem, there's no such thing as gender inequality or racism (among humans, at least...but the humans are often seen as being speciest against other humanoids), etc?