Originally posted by dadudemon
You mean the long and hotly debated Prime Directive that is constantly violated at almost every juncture when it comes up? You mean the episode where Data violates the Prime Directive and they save the planet, anyway, despite the ethics violation that this causes?You mean the Prime Directive that violates morality but upholds ethics?
That Prime Directive? 🙂
Edit - This happens in Season 2, episode 15. It's a touching episode where Data's humanity is explored with a very nice capstone finish to the episode. I liked it a lot when I watched it as a kid.
You mean Season 2 episode 9 where Data is put on trial to prove he has personhood/sapience and is not just a machine where he successfully defends himself as being sapient and autonomous?
Yes, sure seems like it. You brought up two great examples where the ruling is in the direction you think it should morally go. Not sure if you intended that. 🙂
Did you bring up the fact that money is useless, food shortages are no longer a problem, there's no such thing as gender inequality or racism (among humans, at least...but the humans are often seen as being speciest against other humanoids), etc?
That's the thing, though. It requires a Kirk or Picard to really cross that system. And even Kirk's been reprimanded, demoted, punished..
Imagine OUR world under that system. We don't have a Kirk, Picard, or Sisko to set things straight.
Just lots of Quarks, Gul Dukats, and *shudders* Janeways.
Originally posted by Surtur
IMO if Democrats put country before party they'd have just given Trump his wall money before it got to this point. My reason is simple: everybody knew this would be a fight. Everybody knew if he did this it would immediately be challenged.This is going to involve a shitload of people who are probably better off doing more important things(like government lawyers), but now they're gonna being dealing with settling this bullshit. And what if Congress gets involved? Do they not have better shit to do? No, I don't care if you hate Trump or Republicans. The fact is the guy is president. You could have spared 5 friggin billion, which is not a lot in the grand scheme of things.
I say this as someone who is not in favor of a wall unless it is proven to work(and not gonna break the bank). I say this as someone who thinks this was a bad idea.
Why should Democrats give Trump money for a wall which you've said yourself is not logical and will not work as promised to begin with?
Originally posted by cdtm
That's the thing, though. It requires a Kirk or Picard to really cross that system. And even Kirk's been reprimanded, demoted, punished..
And Data. And pretty much anyone who encounters the Prime Directive and acts in accordance with their conscience. Who said we have to use a Prime Directive, though? If that's your own real problem, poof, gone. Magical imagination land is amazing like that.
Originally posted by cdtm
Imagine OUR world under that system. We don't have a Kirk, Picard, or Sisko to set things straight.Just lots of Quarks, Gul Dukats, and *shudders* Janeways.
Yes, we have far better and intelligent heroes in reality compared to the idealized an often short sighted heroes in a fictional sci-fi universe. 🙂
Edit - Janeway is awesome.
Truthfully all of them are puppets to big business, like all of us. Trump is a Puppet to US business interests mostly to a point, and in truth is the most honest puppet in his collusion, in some ways. He like Presidents before him will and almost certainly has used the Presidency to line his pockets. The interests of the people are secondary.
The votes in favor of the resolution fell short of the two-thirds of the chamber needed to override a presidential veto. Trump has issued a veto threat on the measure.
"The resolution now moves over to the Senate, where it must be brought to the floor for a vote within the next 18 days." -snip
Poor Cocaine Mitch has to now fear that more Republicans than he cares to admit might be in favor of blocking Trump's fake national emergency and even if it's very likely not to pass the Senate; it might show clear signs of division amount the Republicans. He'll scrambling and promising BJs to secure as many votes as possible over the next 2+ weeks.