2020 Presidential Election Discussion

Started by Rage.Of.Olympus523 pages

Does anyone else feel like Biden has signs of early dementia? How is he guy going to debate Trump? Smh. It’ll be like watching two kids on the short bus going at it.

Like, if he was my grandfather, I’d make a point that he should take it easy and enjoy retirement. Dude is running for arguably the most stressful position in the World.

The internet's been meming about him being senile for a few months now. I haven't paid enough attention to really notice myself, but that's just one more reason why he shouldn't get the nom.

I'm not sure Joe Biden knows where he is half the time. At least if he was president the context clues(hey, I'm in the white house) would let him know he's in DC. And people referring to him as "Mr. President" all the time will prevent him from forgetting he is president.

It would almost be an interesting experiment to see if his gaffes receive the same deranged attention that Trump gets when he sends out a tweet with a typo.

So up until now the DNC has been inviting anyone with even 1 delegate to debates.

So after Tulsi gets one delegate...now suddenly democrats communications director tweets:

"We have two more debates-- of course the threshold will go up. By the time we have the March debate, almost 2,000 delegates will be allocated. The threshold will reflect where we are in the race, as it always has."

Hey turns out SNL can be useful:

Originally posted by juggerman
I think this was the thread where someone said Crowder would do a rebuttal to Oliver's Medicare for All episode. Well son of a b*tch!

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Was just about to post this 🙂

I think bloomberg put the final nail in sanders' coffin, unless maybe warren drops out and endorses him

Never going to happen, I guarantee that both of them were instructed to stay in the race just long enough for the election to happen, specifically for the purposes of ensuring that Sanders doesn't get the nom.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Does anyone else feel like Biden has signs of early dementia? How is he guy going to debate Trump? Smh. It’ll be like watching two kids on the short bus going at it.

Like, if he was my grandfather, I’d make a point that he should take it easy and enjoy retirement. Dude is running for arguably the most stressful position in the World.

It's not just you.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
There is nothing enticing about Biden to moderates and the Right. He's Hillary 2.0 and Obama 2.0.

Bingo. And the problem with that is that it's going to turn off Bernie's large base and many of them may decide to not even vote for Biden in the general election. Personally I will hold my nose and vote for Biden if I have to, but I'm certainly not happy about it. He's an improvement over Trump, but a marginal one. And part of me wonders if we do need another 4 years of Trump for more people to wake up.

Sad times.

But it's not over for Bernie yet. Biden did come out strong, but the delegate race is still roughly pretty even.

It should be pretty big news getting a lot of coverage that a self-prescribed democratic socialist is pretty neck-and-neck with the name-recognition front-runner moderate. But media is tending not to look at it that way. It's all about Biden.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Bingo. And the problem with that is that it's going to turn off Bernie's large base and many of them may decide to not even vote for Biden in the general election. Personally I will hold my nose and vote for Biden if I have to, but I'm certainly not happy about it. He's an improvement over Trump, but a marginal one. And part of me wonders if we do need another 4 years of Trump for more people to wake up.

Sad times.

But it's not over for Bernie yet. Biden did come out strong, but the delegate race is still roughly pretty even.

It should be pretty big news getting a lot of coverage that a self-prescribed democratic socialist is pretty neck-and-neck with the name-recognition front-runner moderate. But media is tending not to look at it that way. It's all about Biden.

I'm similar except I won't hold my nose and vote for Biden. I will vote for the person that best represents my positions OR who does not hold too many positions that I directly oppose.

If that candidate doesn't exist: I don't vote. I will leave it blank.

It still says I most closely match with Tulsi. And I partly live in Tulsa. So I'm obligated to vote for Tulsi or something.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
And the problem with that is that it's going to turn off Bernie's large base and many of them may decide to not even vote for Biden in the general election.

They could not even be convinced to vote for Sanders in the primaries. His largest demographic is 18–29 year olds, and only 13% of them actually showed up to vote. They are consistently the most unreliable voting block, which is why no realistic campaign relies on their support for a path to victory. Except Sanders, apparently.

Bloomberg is out. Half a billion well spent.

Good riddance to Bloomberg. The man had all the charisma of a paper sheet. An insect
Of
A
Man.

Originally posted by Surtur
Bloomberg is out. Half a billion well spent.
If he'd given it to me, I'd have spent it better.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
It's not just you.

Bingo. And the problem with that is that it's going to turn off Bernie's large base and many of them may decide to not even vote for Biden in the general election. Personally I will hold my nose and vote for Biden if I have to, but I'm certainly not happy about it. He's an improvement over Trump, but a marginal one. And part of me wonders if we do need another 4 years of Trump for more people to wake up.

Sad times.

But it's not over for Bernie yet. Biden did come out strong, but the delegate race is still roughly pretty even.

It should be pretty big news getting a lot of coverage that a self-prescribed democratic socialist is pretty neck-and-neck with the name-recognition front-runner moderate. But media is tending not to look at it that way. It's all about Biden.

It’s difficult to see how Bernie can win at this point. While the delegate count is pretty even Biden will grow his lead with Florida which he will win by a landslide.

Adam is correct too. Bernie’s base didn’t show up for him. Young people stayed home. It’s frustrating to see but it’s par the course. Young people have the most to gain/lose but they never show up.

Can Bernie supporters please give me your reasons you support him? I just don't get it given his policies. Tell me what you like about them. And I'm not here for a debate, just general insight.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm similar except I won't hold my nose and vote for Biden. I will vote for the person that best represents my positions OR who does not hold too many positions that I directly oppose.

If that candidate doesn't exist: I don't vote. I will leave it blank.

It still says I most closely match with Tulsi. And I partly live in Tulsa. So I'm obligated to vote for Tulsi or something.

Give me your opinion of Crowders response to Oliver when u get the chance to watch the video

Originally posted by Badabing
Can Bernie supporters please give me your reasons you support him? I just don't get it given his policies. Tell me what you like about them. And I'm not here for a debate, just general insight.

For most of them, He's offered to give them all tens of thousands of dollars, IOW he's trying to pull a Bloomberg.

Originally posted by Badabing
I just don't get it given his policies. Tell me what you like about them.

You should be more specific if you want a serious response. Since you seem to have some in mind already, what are these policies that you "don't get" the appeal of?

Originally posted by Surtur
Give me your opinion of Crowders response to Oliver when u get the chance to watch the video

Crowder is mixed on his telling.

Where he is wrong:
He's clearly wrong about healthcare wait times, cost per person, and improving our system.

The fact that Crowder doesn't even consider that points to his obstinate or inability to understand the numbers.

UHC Plan that is far more realistic: similar to medicare now but medicare for all. Has copays, still. You can have private insurance, still.

Crowder also cherry picks US high performing medical care metrics but ignores the vast majority of areas where the US greatly under-performs to third world country levels.

Where he is right:
He's right about Bernie's plan being expensive and not that good. Bernie needs to greatly improve his approach and divorce himself from the no copays ideas.

Bernie's plan: single payer, no copays, not coninsurance, etc. Stupid.

He picks apart, correctly, the dishonest logic that Oliver's stuff.

My fact-o-meter rating: 70%.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
They could not even be convinced to vote for Sanders in the primaries. His largest demographic is 18–29 year olds, and only 13% of them actually showed up to vote. They are consistently the most unreliable voting block, which is why no realistic campaign relies on their support for a path to victory. Except Sanders, apparently.

They're probably busy working full time trying to pay for school so they can make more than $7 or $8/hour and then still come out with massive student loan debt and then create some medical debt as well. And with 3 and 4 hour waits at the polls like they said there were in some places, no wonder they didn't turn out.