2020 Presidential Election Discussion

Originally posted by dadudemon
People are talking about Michelle Obama being Biden's pick.

Honestly, if Biden picks M.Obama, it may greatly increase Biden's chances of beating Trump. Michelle is the best Obama, imo.

Still won't vote for Biden. But I would be a tiny bit happier if Michelle was involved in normalizing Biden a bit.

Someone talk sense into me: why am I wrong?

No, I'd want to see him rub noses with Michelle and see him sniff her hair at least once.

Also, he's not going to do dumb shit like sell the Kurds out to Turkey, or give dictators verbal rimjobs.

Originally posted by dadudemon
People are talking about Michelle Obama being Biden's pick.

Honestly, if Biden picks M.Obama, it may greatly increase Biden's chances of beating Trump. Michelle is the best Obama, imo.

Still won't vote for Biden. But I would be a tiny bit happier if Michelle was involved in normalizing Biden a bit.

Someone talk sense into me: why am I wrong?

The fundamental argument for Biden

The argument to vote for Biden, and I understand if that's not convincing, is that the Democratic apparatus that would be in power, is preferable to the Republican one that is in power under Trump.

Democratic Strong Points

Points that some people value with a Democratic administration:
Democratic leaning judges elected -> e.g. Protection of Roe v Wade
Work towards a more collectivized and socialized healthcare system - restricting the abilities of insurance companies on the market
A somewhat stronger championing of voting rights (rather have a voter that is ineligible than disenfranchising any eligible voters)
A respectable veneer of politics on the International stage
A more open immigration and treatment of undocumented immigrants compared to Republicans
Attempts at Gun Control

Republican Strong Points

On the other hand Republicans have strong points to other people:
Republican judges ->
Protection of private health insurance system associated with a freedom to choose
Ensuring only eligible voters can vote (one false vote is worse than 100 genuine voters that are stopped from voting)
A tough stance on foreign politics, committed to American advantage
Strong protection against illegal immigration
Championing the unfettered right to bear arms

There are many more things that some people think Democrats are better at, but then other people think Republicans are better at (foreign policy and military spending, trade, etc.), I was trying to limit myself on less controversial points. So yeah, if you value those things I think voting for Biden makes sense, if the others are more important to you.

Outcome for this Election

I guess to me this election is more or less going to be a "do you lean to the establishment Democrat platform or the establishment Republican platform", because of Biden's complete lack of enthusiastic support. I think Trump has some of that, and obviously much more charisma, so in the end I think Biden is going to lose.

Originally posted by Artol
[b]The fundamental argument for Biden

The argument to vote for Biden, and I understand if that's not convincing, is that the Democratic apparatus that would be in power, is preferable to the Republican one that is in power under Trump.

Democratic Strong Points

Points that some people value with a Democratic administration:
Democratic leaning judges elected -> e.g. Protection of Roe v Wade
Work towards a more collectivized and socialized healthcare system - restricting the abilities of insurance companies on the market
A somewhat stronger championing of voting rights (rather have a voter that is ineligible than disenfranchising any eligible voters)
A respectable veneer of politics on the International stage
A more open immigration and treatment of undocumented immigrants compared to Republicans
Attempts at Gun Control

Republican Strong Points

On the other hand Republicans have strong points to other people:
Republican judges ->
Protection of private health insurance system associated with a freedom to choose
Ensuring only eligible voters can vote (one false vote is worse than 100 genuine voters that are stopped from voting)
A tough stance on foreign politics, committed to American advantage
Strong protection against illegal immigration
Championing the unfettered right to bear arms

There are many more things that some people think Democrats are better at, but then other people think Republicans are better at (foreign policy and military spending, trade, etc.), I was trying to limit myself on less controversial points. So yeah, if you value those things I think voting for Biden makes sense, if the others are more important to you.

Outcome for this Election

I guess to me this election is more or less going to be a "do you lean to the establishment Democrat platform or the establishment Republican platform", because of Biden's complete lack of enthusiastic support. I think Trump has some of that, and obviously much more charisma, so in the end I think Biden is going to lose. [/B]

That's an interesting breakdown, I remember when Gary Johnson ran as libertarian and was asked about Aleppo and said what's that. He was instantly crucified, Biden is worse than that and people will vote for him because of a D by his name and TDS. Honestly, Biden is in a bad place and the media does their best to cover his ass nonstop.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I will. We were told Trump would crash and burn and then lose all of his supporters and then lose in 2020. So for Obama's brother to still support Trump a second term goes against the narrative I was painted.

Of course, that was after many talking heads said that Trump wouldn't win in 2016 so perhaps I shouldn't have believed Trump's support would greatly wane by 2020. That's on me.

To be fair a lot of their narratives have fallen apart. Russia, Ukraine, etc.

Biden has zero interest in Medicare for all and literally just wants to beef up Obamacare which itself is stolen from Romney.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/10/biden-says-he-wouldd-veto-medicare-for-all-as-coronavirus-focuses-attention-on-health.html

Biden under Obama also has record deportations

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/12/biden-immigration-2020-1411691

We only need to look at the fact that under Obama he also never gave anything more than lip service to Gun control measures. By his own words “nothing will change”

Yeah, he's terrible.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I will. We were told Trump would crash and burn and then lose all of his supporters and then lose in 2020. So for Obama's brother to still support Trump a second term goes against the narrative I was painted.

Of course, that was after many talking heads said that Trump wouldn't win in 2016 so perhaps I shouldn't have believed Trump's support would greatly wane by 2020. That's on me.

Not sure who told you that? I've maintained that Trump has a kung-fu grip on his base and that they'll never leave him, he owns them in heart, mind and soul, he can do no wrong in their drone-like eyes. Malik Obama supporting Trump again in 2020 as be did in 2016 isn't surprising to me.

My belief in Trump losing in 2020 is based on him losing the fringe and purple voters and a higher anti-Trump voter turnout. Could he win though? Absolutely, he also has the advantage as the incumbent.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
and that guy from district 9. he's cool

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
You missed the guy from District 9. What was his name? Brimback Snooklebottom?

I can't figure out those names.

Ah, my error. So that's two.

This is actually big news, for once. Apparantly, Reade's mom called Larry King to ask how she could handle her daughter's situation...all the way back in 1993 when the sexual assault happened.

News Busters is where I found this from that twitter video. News Busters is a cataloger of liberal media bias and has questionable factual reporting at times.

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/scott-whitlock/2020/04/24/shock-video-joe-bidens-accusers-mother-talking-cnn-1993

However, The Intercept, which has a strong left bias but a high factual rating also covered some details of this story.

https://theintercept.com/2020/04/24/new-evidence-tara-reade-joe-biden/

Read that whole article as it is a good read.

So this has all come together. Reade had stated her mother called CNN asking for advice shortly after she was fired by Biden's office for trying to report the sexual assault. She couldn't remember when. Some internet folks did some research and found that Larry King interview (archived on News Busters because...that's their thing). This corroborated Reade's story.

It gets better! Her mother was only identified as being a person San Luis Obispo County by Larry King when she called. She caller identified a scenario that matches the one Reade outlined: she tried to get it reported but no one listened to her and she was fired. She didn't want to directly take it to the media because of her political beliefs (she didn't want to harm a Democratic Senator and the Democratic Party).

How many senator staffers had mothers who lived in San Luis Obispo County whose daughters were fired in 1993 for trying to report sexual harassment from a senator? Well, the list just got a whole lot smaller. We've either narrowed down this scenario to exactly Reade or someone else.

This is the evidence I was talking about. The evidence you need.

This isn't one of those stories where a woman claims a man raped her after sexting back and forth and then she drives to his house for 200 miles and has sex with him and then reports it as rape (this scenario has happened). This is a scenario where a young staffer who was a strong believer in the Democratic Party was sexually assaulted by Biden, tried to report it, got fired, and her feminist mom (this is legit, she was know as a strong woman's right activist and a feminist) got so pissed that she called CNN without outing her daughter and Biden. That was a power move by her mother to let the world know that she knew. Bet you Biden got his ass handed to him behind closed doors and Reade got a payout or a threat.

MAGA

Originally posted by gold slorg
MAGA

I supported Yang for president. Now I'm down to Gabbard. 🙁

for real tho, Tulsi was defo my favorite option out of everyone tbh

Originally posted by dadudemon
This is actually big news, for once. Apparantly, Reade's mom called Larry King to ask how she could handle her daughter's situation...all the way back in 1993 when the sexual assault happened.

News Busters is where I found this from that twitter video. News Busters is a cataloger of liberal media bias and has questionable factual reporting at times.

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/scott-whitlock/2020/04/24/shock-video-joe-bidens-accusers-mother-talking-cnn-1993

However, The Intercept, which has a strong left bias but a high factual rating also covered some details of this story.

https://theintercept.com/2020/04/24/new-evidence-tara-reade-joe-biden/

Read that whole article as it is a good read.

So this has all come together. Reade had stated her mother called CNN asking for advice shortly after she was fired by Biden's office for trying to report the sexual assault. She couldn't remember when. Some internet folks did some research and found that Larry King interview (archived on News Busters because...that's their thing). This corroborated Reade's story.

It gets better! Her mother was only identified as being a person San Luis Obispo County by Larry King when she called. She caller identified a scenario that matches the one Reade outlined: she tried to get it reported but no one listened to her and she was fired. She didn't want to directly take it to the media because of her political beliefs (she didn't want to harm a Democratic Senator and the Democratic Party).

How many senator staffers had mothers who lived in San Luis Obispo County whose daughters were fired in 1993 for trying to report sexual harassment from a senator? Well, the list just got a whole lot smaller. We've either narrowed down this scenario to exactly Reade or someone else.

This is the evidence I was talking about. The evidence you need.

This isn't one of those stories where a woman claims a man raped her after sexting back and forth and then she drives to his house for 200 miles and has sex with him and then reports it as rape (this scenario has happened). This is a scenario where a young staffer who was a strong believer in the Democratic Party was sexually assaulted by Biden, tried to report it, got fired, and her feminist mom (this is legit, she was know as a strong woman's right activist and a feminist) got so pissed that she called CNN without outing her daughter and Biden. That was a power move by her mother to let the world know that she knew. Bet you Biden got his ass handed to him behind closed doors and Reade got a payout or a threat.

I wonder if the Democrats are going to replace Biden at the convention.

Originally posted by Artol
I wonder if the Democrats are going to replace Biden at the convention.

They really really should, at this point.

The fact that Reade's story is plastered all over the MSM news sources is astounding. This is an incredibly damning situation for Biden.

They should be smart and throw Bernie in front of Trump. Bernie has a much stronger case from the medical side of the COVID-19 narrative.

I agree, but I don't see that happening. I'm not sure who they would replace him with, but perhaps Andrew Cuomo or Gavin Newsom, they are held in high esteem by the establishment wing of the party at the moment. The furthest "left" I could see them go is perhaps Elizabeth Warren.

Originally posted by Artol
I agree, but I don't see that happening. I'm not sure who they would replace him with, but perhaps Andrew Cuomo or Gavin Newsom, they are held in high esteem by the establishment wing of the party at the moment. The furthest "left" I could see them go is perhaps Elizabeth Warren.

My post was supposed to say "isn't" like this:

Originally posted by dadudemon
They really really should, at this point.

The fact that Reade's story isn't plastered all over the MSM news sources is astounding. This is an incredibly damning situation for Biden.

They should be smart and throw Bernie in front of Trump. Bernie has a much stronger case from the medical side of the COVID-19 narrative.

Anyway, I have no idea how the DNC will handle this situation. They have done an amazing job at owning Hollywood and the MSM. Look out unscathed Biden is despite his situation? No major outlets are running this story.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Anyway, I have no idea how the DNC will handle this situation. They have done an amazing job at owning Hollywood and the MSM. Look out unscathed Biden is despite his situation? No major outlets are running this story.

Wake up sheeple.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Is it just a coincidence that right as Biden is facing sexy allegations that all of the suddens a virus comes out of China?

Wake up sheeple.

You joke but I saw that tinfoil hat convo come up on the interwebz. Some people actually believe it.

Remember the shoddy allegations against Supreme Court nominee, Kavanaugh? How that flimsy case was all over the news for weeks?

This case against Biden is MUCH stronger. But almost nary a peep on any news sources. The case has just blown wide open and Reade's story has been corroborated going back to 1993. That's usually how to suss out liars or people telling the truth: all of their "facts" told in their story, if they can be corroborated, are actually independently corroborated. Make claims? Better be damn sure the details can be proven.

This is a pretty incredible graphic. Puts into perspective the voting gender divide:

Trigger warning, Tim Pool video:

Even MSNBC Is Saying Biden is DONE, Trump Set To OBLITERATE Biden In Debates And Even Vegas Agrees

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Intriguing!