Originally posted by Artol
Yeah, I do understand that point of view, I guess I just see it differently for the reasons I stated. I believe that people are in many ways shaped by their circumstances and that the circumstances are actively controlled by powerful interests, so I don't give even the majority of blame to people. I'm not a fan of Trump by any means, but I don't think that it is the fault of the people who voted him in that he won, the dynamics of that are much more complex.
There are massive problems with what you just said.
You take away people's agency and view them as helpless imbeciles who are incapable of making informed decisions. That's not true and it is insulting as f*ck to think that way. People are more than capable of researching candidates. We have more tools than ever to look up voting records and track records for incumbent candidates. Ignorance is no longer an excuse. And with literacy rates being in excess of 96% in the US, there's almost no excuse at all to continue to vote in corrupt candidates such as Biden.
You also view Trump's election as fundamentally wrong in the way you worded it. You view the people who voted for Trump as being at fault. That's wrong in and of itself. Trump was not part of the "government establishment." He is not part of the multi-generational government corruption. Bringing up his name is inappropriate in this context unless you are suffering from TDS. So why bring up Trump when we are talking about the Bidens, Pelosis, Kennedy's, and Bush's of the world?
Originally posted by Artol
And of course there's certainly hypocrites among leftists, although I would say that most socialists don't say that individuals should step up to fix problems (through charity for example), but that communities should come together to solve problems, so the question of whether you would house an immigrant yourself is not really a refutation of the demand that the government provide housing for immigrants. Of course you can still say they are really selfish and trying to take the easy way out by "outsourcing" the problem, and that's certainly a fair criticism, imo.
Your interpretation is incorrect of what socialism is, and in this context, is incorrect.
"a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."
Literally, that means collectivism in the community. If you advocate for housing illegal immigrants, that means you should be first in line to house the illegal immigrants. If you advocate for free tuition at the cost of the community, you should be first in line to willingly give money to a college fund that makes tuition free. Or support tax hikes (covered in those same videos I mentioned: once they realize they'd get a tax hike for their socialist policy, they all of a sudden don't support it directly).
They don't. Because they are hypocrites. They are happy to give away others' money but not their own. They are happy to give away others' homes but not their own. It's the bane of socialist hypocrites.