Originally posted by RobtardI would say gaslighting more than projection and I'm willing to post many other posts to support a pattern if people take issue with it 🙂
That looks like classic projection again, cos Trumpers are the one's threatening Civil War 2 if Trump isn't handed a free second term, even though he lost.
Originally posted by dadudemonDidn't quite go as expected, did it?
Dudes, you need to prepare yourself for November 2020.Trump is going to utterly destroy the competition. The Democratic Nominee doesn't matter. Looking at the numbers, New Hampshire voter turnout, for an incumbent, destroyed all previous records.
Trump's base is rallied out the wazoo. They are tired of the Dems and their corruption.
I have no idea why I've been reading, on this site, claims that Bernie has a chance of beating trump. He doesn't. You'll see come this fall: it will be a severe flagellation. This is not hard to see or predict.
Obviously, I won't get what I want.
Originally posted by dadudemonBumped due to Broly's meltdown. It would be interesting to see DDM defend this post now. 😛
Dudes, you need to prepare yourself for November 2020.Trump is going to utterly destroy the competition. The Democratic Nominee doesn't matter. Looking at the numbers, New Hampshire voter turnout, for an incumbent, destroyed all previous records.
Trump's base is rallied out the wazoo. They are tired of the Dems and their corruption.
I have no idea why I've been reading, on this site, claims that Bernie has a chance of beating trump. He doesn't. You'll see come this fall: it will be a severe flagellation. This is not hard to see or predict.
Obviously, I won't get what I want.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Bernie would have crushed Trump.Biden was basically an Anti-Trump vote. Bernie would have gotten the same anti-Trump votes plus massive support for his progressive policies.
I disagree, Bernie would probably have won, but with fewer votes than Biden.
The “he’s a socialist and communist!” rhetoric against Bernie would have turned some moderate and anti-Trump conservatives people off to the point of not voting or going 3rd party.
Originally posted by Robtard
I disagree, Bernie would probably have won, but with fewer votes than Biden.The “he’s a socialist and communist!” rhetoric against Bernie would have turned some moderate and anti-Trump conservatives people off to the point of not voting or going 3rd party.
Honestly I think Thats what they want you to believe. But end of the day doesnt really matter what names they throw at him. Matters what both candidates are offering.
The previous election the Dems were calling Trump a sexist and a racist and even a rapist. But he still won, because he was claiming hed end the wars and keep jobs for American and fight for Americans against the establishment.
Heck in this election they even threw socialist at Biden a few times during the campaign (meant as an attack of course), but it probably only helped him tbh.
But Trump just handled Covid so badly, I do believe any Dem would have beaten him.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Honestly I think Thats what they want you to believe. But end of the day doesnt really matter what names they throw at him. Matters what both candidates are offering.The previous election the Dems were calling Trump a sexist and a racist and even a rapist. But he still won, because he was claiming hed end the wars and keep jobs for American and fight for Americans against the establishment.
Heck in this election they even threw socialist at Biden a few times during the campaign (meant as an attack of course), but it probably only helped him tbh.
But Trump just handled Covid so badly, I do believe any Dem would have beaten him.
Here in American, labels like "sexist and a racist and even a rapist" do not carry the same weight as "socialist" and "communist". Not saying it makes sense, it just is what it is.
Biden's pretty vanilla, that's the brand be pushes, so almost none of the attacks stuck. Biden also doesn't have the decades long history/baggage of being associated with socialism and communism like Sanders does.
Yeah, I can overall agree with that in the "probably" sense.
Originally posted by RobtardI've always found that strange about US politics. But you guys probably find a lot strange about us too tbh!
Here in American, labels like "sexist and a racist and even a rapist" do not carry the same weight as "socialist" and "communist". Not saying it makes sense, it just is what it is.Biden's pretty vanilla, that's the brand be pushes, so almost none of the attacks stuck. Biden also doesn't have the decades long history/baggage of being associated with socialism and communism like Sanders does.
Yeah, I can overall agree with that in the "probably" sense.
Problem is though they dont give progressives a chance.
You have to analyse how and why voters voted Trump into Presidency in the first place. Its because they are fed up of the status quo.
Policy wise most Americans agree with Bernie. So Fox News can shout COMMUNIST all they want, but when hes arguing healthcare for all and not just the rich, people are going to vote for that.
Just look at how in every single swing seat the candidate supporting Medicare for all won.
I fear as long as progressives on the Dems are kept away from positions of power, a large number of people will keep turning to fake populists like Trump.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Problem is though they dont give progressives a chance.You have to analyse how and why voters voted Trump into Presidency in the first place. Its because they are fed up of the status quo.
Policy wise most Americans agree with Bernie. So Fox News can shout COMMUNIST all they want, but when hes arguing healthcare for all and not just the rich, people are going to vote for that.
Just look at how in every single swing seat the candidate supporting Medicare for all won.
I fear as long as progressives on the Dems are kept away from positions of power, a large number of people will keep turning to fake populists like Trump.
"Progressive" is another dirty word in America; and American politics. eg Just look how many people on KMC alone use "progressive" as an insult or in the derogatory and this is just one low member site.
You run as a "progressive" and you paint a large target on your back, adding to the other targets. "He's not just a Democrat, he's a progressive." *plays scary music*
F**k the DNC for shafting Bernie in 2016 and 2020, but in the end, he still under-performed with voters and that's the main reason he didn't make it. There was a lot of shouts and support for Sanders during the 2020 Dem elections, enough to get me excited he might pull it off, but when it came time to actually vote, the Sanders crowd stayed the f**k home. I didn't, I voted for Sanders in the primary, but there simply wasn't enough of us.
The main problem that Sanders had is that the Democratic Party coordinated Klobuchar and Buttigieg to drop out consolidating the conservative Democratic vote, while Warren stayed in splitting the progressive Democratic vote. If that hadn't happened it would have been a very different Super Tuesday.
The big thing that Biden had going for him was that the media had, contrary to opinion polling, declared him the more "electable" candidate against Trump, and that was the most important metric for a lot of voters. All in all there were a lot of smart and coordinated moves by the Democratic and media establishment that made it difficult to win based on policies.
Sadly it also may have been a once in a lifetime chance for America to choose a better path, and we are stuck with corporate Dems or fascist Republicans for the foreseeable future.
Originally posted by Artol
The main problem that Sanders had is that the Democratic Party coordinated Klobuchar and Buttigieg to drop out consolidating the conservative Democratic vote, while Warren stayed in splitting the progressive Democratic vote. If that hadn't happened it would have been a very different Super Tuesday.The big thing that Biden had going for him was that the media had, contrary to opinion polling, declared him the more "electable" candidate against Trump, and that was the most important metric for a lot of voters. All in all there were a lot of smart and coordinated moves by the Democratic and media establishment that made it difficult to win based on policies.
Sadly it also may have been a once in a lifetime chance for America to choose a better path, and we are stuck with corporate Dems or fascist Republicans for the foreseeable future.
No, the main problem that Sanders had is that he was planning to win the nomination with only a plurality of the vote. If his strategy for success was contingent upon no one receiving a majority of the vote, then it was a doomed strategy from the start. That tells you everything you need to know about how electable he is. He should have spent the four years in the interim canvassing on his issues, and he did not. The miscalculation that he made, and that you and Darth Thor are making here, is that after four years of Trump, Americans were willing to swing from one pole to the other, instead of to the middle. After four years of crazy, Americans wanted a return to normalcy, not taking their chances on a 79-year-old Socialist.
Well, that is certainly also a view, I think it is wrong, but it seems unlikely we are going to convince each other.
At any rate, a Biden presidency is not going to help much with the polarization, as it is unlikely to address the underlying, real, issues that many Americans feel with the state of their country. A same old same old, Obama 2.0 presidency is just going to enable the next Trump. So I don't see much hope for the US for the next 12 or so years.