2020 Presidential Election Discussion

Started by dadudemon523 pages

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
I think he's taken that possibility into consideration, which is why Nina Turner would be a strong choice for VP. She's arguably been his strongest supporter since the last election cycle, they seem to share the same ideals and vision, she's an assertive public speaker, and she's in her 50s.

I think Tulsi would be a bad choice, considering how divisive she's been this past year.

That's great. If Bernie won and his health failed and he stepped down (or worse: he kicked the bucket), America would finally get its first black president.

I think Tulsi would be a great choice to get Bernie elected, though. If you want more of the Independents and disenfranchised GOP voters, you need someone who can reach across the aisle and appeal to both sets of voters. Tulsi is the best of these types of Democratic candidates.

Also, the video that made me like Nina Turner was this one where she responded to the feminist criticism of AOC endorsing Sanders:

YouTube video

Her argument: AOC endorsing Sanders for president IS feminism. A woman who has enough power to make an endorsement that causes waves is legitimately "woman-power." How feminists missed the boat during their SJW virtue signaling is beyond me.

She called them "faux-feminists." haha, YES!

Democrats are so desperate they are dragging up things Bernie said in the 1970s in order to smear him lol. This one was about him comparing working conditions for workers in Vermont to slavery.

Originally posted by Surtur
Democrats are so desperate they are dragging up things Bernie said in the 1970s in order to smear him lol. This one was about him comparing working conditions for workers in Vermont to slavery.

Wow? Bernie was that consistent? If he didn't want such expensive plans and wasn't a legit SJW, he'd be the second best candidate ever.

Joe Rogan endorsed Bernie and these pathetic souls flipped out and lied and said Joe is a transphobe and bigot and all that. Wow lol.

Most popular podcast in the world, but f*ck it the left has to virtue signal.

Originally posted by Surtur
Joe Rogan endorsed Bernie and these pathetic souls flipped out and lied and said Joe is a transphobe and bigot and all that. Wow lol.

Most popular podcast in the world, but f*ck it the left has to virtue signal.


Let the woke for woke's sake crowd get it out of their system; they're a minority in the overall group anyhow. I'm sure most Bernie supporters realize the importance of Joe Rogan's endorsement, even if they don't approve of all of his beliefs or choice of guests on his show.

And apparently all the dem candidates tried to get on Joe's show lol.

So they all must be pro-transphobia.

Originally posted by Surtur
And apparently all the dem candidates tried to get on Joe's show lol.

So they all must be pro-transphobia.

Yeah, but to my knowledge, Rogan's only ever had Sanders, Gabbard, and Yang on his show...three of the most progressive candidates in the Democratic race for the presidency.

I wonder if that was a conscious decision to prevent the centrist corporatist Democratic candidates from using his show as a tool for their campaigns, rather than have an honest intellectual discussion about their beliefs, platforms, and goals.

Yeah Joe turned the others down lol.

I like Joe. He's a comedian and has made some vulgar comments and now people are digging all of it up. But he's not a bigot. He doesn't hate trans people he took issue with an MMA fighter who was a man that said he identified as female and fought other females.

I just don't get it, he has the biggest podcast in the world. It wasn't just randos on twitter whining...left leaning media went after him.

And I will say I am shocked...Bernie stood up for himself kinda, which he doesn't normally do. They released a statement after this shit and he didn't back down.

Bernie statement, cuz the edit function is messing up:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/bernie-sanders-releases-statement-following-backlash-from-joe-rogan-endorsement

Originally posted by Surtur
Yeah Joe turned the others down lol.

I like Joe. He's a comedian and has made some vulgar comments and now people are digging all of it up. But he's not a bigot. He doesn't hate trans people he took issue with an MMA fighter who was a man that said he identified as female and fought other females.

I just don't get it, he has the biggest podcast in the world. It wasn't just randos on twitter whining...left leaning media went after him.

And I will say I am shocked...Bernie stood up for himself kinda, which he doesn't normally do. They released a statement after this shit and he didn't back down.

Bernie statement, cuz the edit function is messing up:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/bern...gan-endorsement


It's admirable of Bernie to take the high road and resist the temptation to call his critics absolute scumbags, even if they are being unfair and dishonest.

Sorry if I missed the response to my question to you before, Surt, but if it comes down to Bernie and Trump in the general election, whom will you support and why?

Sanders is/arguably is the most socialist and furthest Left candidate running, so unless Surt has completely reversed himself and turned on all his previous beliefs...

But the nom is not going to Sanders imo, I still think Biden will get it, if not, maybe Warren, but likely Buttigeig for the young center-Left keep the system as it it angle.

Hopefully Yang gets a job in the admin where he can build his political capital for the future.

I think it's going to be Sanders. He's surging at just the right time. If he wins the first couple of contests he'll have huge momentum.

He's going to get shafted, imo.

By the super delegates, you mean?

The DNC doesn't want Sanders, they have pull within the party to nudge just enough.

I hope you're correct though.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's great. If Bernie won and his health failed and he stepped down (or worse: he kicked the bucket), America would finally get its first black president.

I think Tulsi would be a great choice to get Bernie elected, though. If you want more of the Independents and disenfranchised GOP voters, you need someone who can reach across the aisle and appeal to both sets of voters. Tulsi is the best of these types of Democratic candidates.

Also, the video that made me like Nina Turner was this one where she responded to the feminist criticism of AOC endorsing Sanders:

YouTube video

Her argument: AOC endorsing Sanders for president IS feminism. A woman who has enough power to make an endorsement that causes waves is legitimately "woman-power." How feminists missed the boat during their SJW virtue signaling is beyond me.

She called them "faux-feminists." haha, YES!

I like Nina Turner too, and that was a great example of calling out bullshit identity politics and woke for the sake of woke culture for what they are. The merit of a candidate's policies and their intent to follow through on those policies are what voters should be concerned with, not this bullshit of "It's time for a ______ president!" even if their policies are shit and their voting records and/or conduct are spotty.

As far as Tulsi being a good VP choice for Sanders, that may have been true several months ago, but I think choosing her as his VP at this point would likely hurt Sanders in the elections more than help him. Better double down on his populist progressive platform by naming a much more likeable progressive VP and win over more center-left voters than try to appeal to more conservative voters and risk losing support from his growing voter base of progressives going into the primaries or general election.

Tulsi's lost the plot burning bridges within her own party while trying to appeal to independents and conservatives. Corrupt or not, they still have to work with them in Congress and get their support if they hope to get anything passed. Capture independents and Republicans? She can't even unify the Democratic party, nevermind bridge the gap between progressives, centrists, and conservatives.

She's put in most of her campaigning effort into saying she's against unnecessary wars (so is just about everyone else...officially anyhow) and that politicians--specifically, Democrats--are corrupt (only unique in the fact that she is only lambasting those in her own party, but not in the opposition party). She's already caved on Medicare for All, and isn't really focused on any other big life-changing ideas for this country. She's just a loose cannon in the Democratic Party, at this point, and doesn't deserve our trust.

Originally posted by Robtard
Sanders is/arguably is the most socialist and furthest Left candidate running, so unless Surt has completely reversed himself and turned on all his previous beliefs...

But the nom is not going to Sanders imo, I still think Biden will get it, if not, maybe Warren, but likely Buttigeig for the young center-Left keep the system as it it angle.

Hopefully Yang gets a job in the admin where he can build his political capital for the future.


Originally posted by BackFire
I think it's going to be Sanders. He's surging at just the right time. If he wins the first couple of contests he'll have huge momentum.

I've got to agree with BackFire on this one, Rob.

Sanders is surging, while other candidates--including Biden--are seeing their support either drop or stagnate, according to the polls. Biden has roughly the less support than he had to start with, Warren peaked months ago and dropped hard, and while Buttigieg enjoys some unexpectedly high support in the early states (Iowa, New Hampshire), he's not polling well at all nationally, and suffers from being a newcomer without the name and policy recognition some of the other candidates enjoy. I don't think the Bible Belt and religious voters in general will support a gay man for president, either.

Sanders has a good chance right now, and winning some early states will only help his chances by assuring the rest of the nations' Democratic voters that he is electable.

I have no doubt in my mind that the establishment Democrats in the DNC are going to try and f*ck him out of it--shit, even Warren turned on him--but his support among voters appears to be getting stronger.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/rakich-secondchoice-1205-1.png

As before, I hope you're both correct, I want Sanders, even though I think Biden has a better chance of beating Trump. As he appeals more to the flip, center and center-Right voters than Sanders does. Buttigeig has this factor too.

But we've played this game with Sanders before, no? Didn't Sanders get a sure in 2016 and then it fizzled like Melania's orgasm when she's using her Hitachi "massager" on her bean and Trump walks into the room?

Originally posted by Robtard
The DNC doesn't want Sanders, they have pull within the party to nudge just enough.

I hope you're correct though.

It's possible, but I think they'd be very unwise to do something like that. So that probably means you're right and they'll do it.

Originally posted by Robtard
As before, I hope you're both correct, I want Sanders, even though I think Biden has a better chance of beating Trump. As he appeals more to the flip, center and center-Right voters than Sanders does. Buttigeig has this factor too.

But we've played this game with Sanders before, no? Didn't Sanders get a sure in 2016 and then it fizzled like Melania's orgasm when she's using her Hitachi "massager" on her bean and Trump walks into the room?


Hillary and the DNC did what the could to make him appear unelectable, and blatantly screwed him in Nevada, yet he was still a strong contender until the end.

Slightly different rules for superdelegates this time, and I don't think voters have forgotten the shit the DNC pulled last time.

Optimistic, maybe, but it beats laying down and accepting the shitshow for what it is.