2020 Presidential Election Discussion

Originally posted by snowdragon
I think Sanders would do well against Trump, we have to remember that something like 10% of Sanders voters voted for Trump so he auto loses those guys.

He has a strong mssg but imo he is old as dirt, I've said this before and I feel the same way about Trump. Call me after the elections so I can stop crying about Yang 😛

I mean look at his mssging:

Man I love that guy and his mssg😛

'We're riding a century-old measurement off a cliff': Andrew Yang tears into GDP as an outdated metric to gauge national wellbeing

In an a recent interview with the New York Times editorial board, Democratic presidential candidate Andrew Yang blasted the main national index used to measure growth and wellbeing in the US economy.

"We're riding a century-old measurement off a cliff, while our way of life deteriorates underneath our feet," he told the publication's editorial board, referring to gross domestic product (GDP).

Over the past year, President Trump has repeatedly touted the strength of the economy at rallies around the country, calling it the "greatest" in US history — a claim that experts said is far from the truth. -snip

Andrew Yang: If elected president I will 'update GDP for the 21st century'

Democratic presidential candidate Andrew Yang told Hill.TV on Friday that if elected president he would update U.S. gross domestic product (GDP) for the 21st century.

"Any organization leader knows that if you have bad measurements, then you're going to be headed in the wrong direction," Yang told "Rising" co-hosts Krystal Ball and Buck Sexton.

"Robot trucks are going to be great for GDP, but they're going to be terrible for the 3 1/2 billion truck drivers in the country and the 5 million Americans that work at truck stops, motels and diners," he added -snip

Originally posted by snowdragon
I think Sanders would do well against Trump, we have to remember that something like 10% of Sanders voters voted for Trump so he auto loses those guys.

He has a strong mssg but imo he is old as dirt, I've said this before and I feel the same way about Trump. Call me after the elections so I can stop crying about Yang 😛

I mean look at his mssging:

Man I love that guy and his mssg😛

I, too, love Bernie's messaging. An emphasis on human well-being and flourishing is much more in line with my political beliefs than an emphasis on corporate and individual profits.

When he entered the presidential race in 2015, I felt like there was a presidential candidate I could support because he is good, not because he was the lesser of two evils. I've been donating to his campaign every month since he announced his candidacy again last year.

Originally posted by dadudemon
2016 all over again.

Let's wait and see.

I do know that if Bernie wins, I will DEFINITELY be out of a job, soon. So I am already looking at a different job that would be more stable under a more socialistic president. I may move back to the financial sector.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Because we already went through rounds of layoffs. One of our competitors said they could not survive this economic slump and will have to shut down.

I am not sure Bernie will win. I am sure Trump will win. However, it is already bad under Trump for my sector. It will get a million times worse under Sanders if he wins.

Do you work in medical billing or insurance?

2016 all over again...Do you mean you think Bernie will get screwed out of the nomination again?

Did you hear about Yang's views on how we view/measure the GDP?

Yes, I have quoted him in the past regarding our measure of economic success in the USA, the dow and gdp doesn't = super success for everyone.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Not sure how I missed your posts, DDM.

Do you work in medical billing or insurance?

Gas (NGLs, mixes, gathering, distribution, processing, storage, etc.)

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
2016 all over again...Do you mean you think Bernie will get screwed out of the nomination again?

Yes, exactly.

You work with gas?

Originally posted by Blakemore
You work with gas?

No. I do Cybersecurity Program Management.

But what am I securing and protecting? Gas and the people who work with it.

If only the people in Congress knew* that Russia, Ukraine, Iran, and especially China are constantly trying to destroy our energy infrastructure (I have the logs, security events, security investigations, and work with the FBI when nation-state threat actors try to blow shit up or take over our energy infrastructure). And yet, some politicians are totally okay with bringing down reliable, clean, and efficient energy that gives us energy independence and helps poor people keep their utility costs down.

*They do, they don't give a f*ck. And that's really bad.

Biden will end up taking the nomination
He will end up getting destroyer by trump

As much as I want Bernie to take the win, he is Jewish and I doubt Americans are willing to vote for a Non Christian. Bernie will be good for this country in the long run

USA is having too many issues and no one really wants to fix them. Considering he is not taking too much political donations, he does have the best position to actually fix the issue

Healthcare
Social security
Tax
Spending
Education
Oligarchies

All these issues are very complex.l Trump managing to deliberately create problems to weaken the economies and then fix the issue to reap the benefit of being a fixer won’t help America in the long run

His presidency will be a good case study of how 2 system and a corrupt president can break the country

Most of the shit he has done the last 3-4 years isn’t something most Americans will feel right away. Like a cancer, it doesn’t quickly become a problem. Eventually, he change she did will be hurting most Americans

Breakdown of education system, broken Iran deal, nomination of horrible judges, environmental rollback..etc. All stuff that will provide benefit short term but horrible on the long run

Go Bernie!

People say Bernie should get the nomination, better yet win the Presidency.

My question is simple. Why Bernie over Trump?

-Bernie has never held a job in his life.
-Bernie is pre socialism
-Bernie is a life long politician through and through
-what significant laws has Bernie put forth or pass that have help the underclass
-Bernie who goes after the rich, is now a millionaire himself

So what does Bernie brings to the table that Trump doesn’t already have?

This is a serious question to all pro Bernie. I would like to have this discussion since I’m not educated on Bernie.

SquallX, you’re massively misinformed

Bernie never held a job? He graduate in the field he is in now. He actually has a long career. To say he never held a job is silly. Mighty as well say all you do is post on this forum

Bernie is pro socialism!? What do you mean by that

Going after millionaires? He is a set made millionaire. Most of wealth has come to him in the last 10 years. He has been working for 50 years, if he can’t become a millionaire after 50 years, there might be a problem. Worse, there is a huge different between a person who amassed 2.5 million in 50 years than a guy who makes 275 million per day without doing anything

I make 120k a year. You’d need to make 6cents a year to compare. That’s the huge difference!

I’m not even going to discuss what “Bernie has done” in his career. Instead, I prefer you actually read into what he has proposed in his career. His consistency, his ability to stay true to what he says

You can’t change the American system by yourself. However, if you look at his history, he has a good track record

It’s not like...trump; who has had a very short career but has zigzagged so much. Anyone who follows and tracks Trump should know. Considering he was one of my clients, I’m well aware of his tricks. He is a talker and hasn’t change. The big difference is, too many people are just not informed and get most of their information from CNN or Fox

Bernie would no doubt bring our country to ruin. Don't see how anyone who isn't a naive young person couldn't see that. Anyone who thinks socialism would be good for America is the one who's truly misinformed, not Squall. Squall was pretty much spot-on.

Fortunately, I don't think Bernie will ever be president. Even if he gets the nomination, he'll never beat Trump. He would've had a decent shot of beating Trump in 2016 (certainly a better chance than Hillary had) but he would have practically no chance in 2020 of beating him.

In fact, I'm betting Trump is secretly hoping that Bernie is the dem nominee. Running against an admitted socialist would be a dream come true for such a successful businessman as himself.

*waits for dadudemon to be triggered by this post* 😂

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
The headline and first paragraph say Sanders and Biden are tied, but the numbers in the second and third paragraphs in the body of the article show Sanders has taken the lead, according to this Reuters poll.

This may be only one poll, but it is significant, as this is, at least to my knowledge the first time any candidate has surpassed Biden in the national polls.

It is not that significant, because the top four are all polling within the margin of error.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
2016 all over again...Do you mean you think Bernie will get screwed out of the nomination again?

He did not get screwed out of the nomination last time. Millions fewer people voted for him than his opponent. That is not a conspiracy, it is math.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No. I do Cybersecurity Program Management.

But what am I securing and protecting? Gas and the people who work with it.

If only the people in Congress knew* that Russia, Ukraine, Iran, and especially China are constantly trying to destroy our energy infrastructure (I have the logs, security events, security investigations, and work with the FBI when nation-state threat actors try to blow shit up or take over our energy infrastructure). And yet, some politicians are totally okay with bringing down reliable, clean, and efficient energy that gives us energy independence and helps poor people keep their utility costs down.

*They do, they don't give a f*ck. And that's really bad.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
SquallX, you’re massively misinformed

Bernie never held a job? He graduate in the field he is in now. He actually has a long career. To say he never held a job is silly. Mighty as well say all you do is post on this forum

Bernie is pro socialism!? What do you mean by that

Going after millionaires? He is a set made millionaire. Most of wealth has come to him in the last 10 years. He has been working for 50 years, if he can’t become a millionaire after 50 years, there might be a problem. Worse, there is a huge different between a person who amassed 2.5 million in 50 years than a guy who makes 275 million per day without doing anything

I make 120k a year. You’d need to make 6cents a year to compare. That’s the huge difference!

I’m not even going to discuss what “Bernie has done” in his career. Instead, I prefer you actually read into what he has proposed in his career. His consistency, his ability to stay true to what he says

You can’t change the American system by yourself. However, if you look at his history, he has a good track record

It’s not like...trump; who has had a very short career but has zigzagged so much. Anyone who follows and tracks Trump should know. Considering he was one of my clients, I’m well aware of his tricks. He is a talker and hasn’t change. The big difference is, too many people are just not informed and get most of their information from CNN or Fox

What SquallX means is that Sanders has never held a private sector job. He has worked for government his entire adult life. Hence, his criticism of Sanders being a millionaire, because no one should become rich working for the government.

Now, you may argue that most of his wealth did not come from his government salary, and you seem suggest that it is perfectly acceptable for him to have amassed a small fortune in 10 years, but that would suggest that the current system is working quite well for him and others, so why should it be changed? Your agument in support of his circumstances is an argument against his platform.

Which brings us to Socialism. You know precisely what he means by "pro-Socialism," and while that may not be an issue for you and me, let us not pretend that it is not disqualifying for a large swath of the American electorate, whether you want to draw "Democratic Socialism" distinctions or not.

It is true that one cannot change the system by himself, which is why his legislative record matters. The best indicator of future behavior is relevant past behavior, and if he has no demonstrated success of implementing his policies as a legislator, then there is no reason to believe he will be any more successful at it as president.

On some level, you must recognize that his legislative record is indefensible, which is why you did not even attempt it. Anyone can hold correct and consistent beliefs, but correct and consistent beliefs do not make one a good or effective public servant, his actions do. Policies that are never enacted are indistinguishible from ones that do not exist. Constituents cannot live on his policy ideas, they live on his policy results.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
He did not get screwed out of the nomination last time. Millions fewer people voted for him than his opponent. That is not a conspiracy, it is math.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
"I'm a faster runner than you, since I crossed the finish line ahead of you when we raced. That's just the facts, no getting around it, man. Nevermind the fact that I shot you in the ****ing kneecaps before we started."

That is not an accurate analogy, because the winner is not who crosses the finishline the fastest, but with the most supporters. So even if I shot you in the kneecaps and crossed the finishline first, if you crossed the finishline later with more supporters, you would have won. If Sanders thought the process was unfair, he would not have run again as a Democrat. If he can take the loss and move on, his supporters sure the hell can.

The analogy is completely valid, you're just not treating it as an analogy for some reason. Running races are contests of speed, getting shot in the kneecaps impairs speed, that's why I chose that mechanism. Why are you acting as if I argued Bernie lost in 2016 because he was literally shot in the kneecaps? 😬

In any case, you're missing the point. The fact that HRC won the race has no bearing on whether or not the race was conducted fairly. "She got more votes, therefore there was not a conspiracy?" That's absurd logic.

Tim Pool (who is not a Trump supporter, btw, by any means and actually supported Bernie in 2016) lays out yet another major reason Bernie is not fit for office:

https:www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGJAiHQYcSk

I've brought up Bernie's wussiness before (using the same BLM example Tim used in his video) as a reason why Bernie could not stand up to Trump in a debate and, more importantly, why he would not be a good Commander-in-Chief but of course it triggered the hell out of dadudemon lol.

Oh, and yes it was obvious that Bernie was cheated out of the nomination in 2016. It's pathetic for Adam to try and argue otherwise... although not really surprising though.