Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Authoritarianism is ALWAYS on the left... always.The further left you go, the less freedom there is for the individual and the more government control.
The further left you go, the more collectivism rules the day... the further right you go, the more individualism does.
Individualism >>>> collectivism.
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Originally posted by Patient_Leech
A rather interesting difference between Bernie and Trump is that Bernie actually flat-out condemns authoritarianism as well as Russia's interference in our elections. Trump unabashedly welcomes both.Think about that for a second. It makes these accusations against Bernie from Trumpers quite vacuous.
Trump's been defending Putin(eg Helsinki 2018) and distracting away from Russia's antics since he took office(actually before); he's not going change so that's the deflection away from Trump they have to do.
Originally posted by Badabing
Guys, in 2016 Trump beat Hillary by a fair amount in the electoral college. Trump won states that 99% of the media and pollsters thought would go to Hillary. Anything can happen in an election.
What this part of your post fails to capture is how close the "being off" was in each of those states in 2016. Sure, the polls were off between less than 1% to as much as 7% but most were off between the 2%-5% range.
That's not the environment we are seeing, now. The differences are huge at the voter turnout. Trump's base is literally rallying in record numbers, by far. Shattering previous records.
In the most literal way possible, a sitting president has never seen this much support before as both a ratio of the population and in raw numbers.
Originally posted by Badabing
Acknowledging that Trump could lose is not betraying him or cheering for a Democrat. Just as Rob acknowledging Trump has every advantage in the 2020 election and could win isn't him cheering for Trump.
At this point, based on Dem voter turnout and how much of Trump's base is turning out to vote in record numbers, there's no hope for a Dem victory besides what I said a few weeks back: Trump just fails in such an absurdly massive way about something (like violating someone on camera in front of millions during the general election debates). It's really not possible for Trump to lose at this point.
The Dems must realize this. It's odd that they would be trying to work against Sanders if Sanders is consistently being shown to be the best against Trump.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
A rather interesting difference between Bernie and Trump is that Bernie actually flat-out condemns authoritarianism as well as Russia's interference in our elections. Trump unabashedly welcomes both.Think about that for a second. It makes these accusations against Bernie from Trumpers quite vacuous.
Just think about this for a second: you guys are dumb enough to keep defending this shit show. Hilarious. Keep it up 🙂
Imagine just being unable to say "I want Bernie to win, but he needs to cut this shit out it's not going to contribute to that". Nah, you can't do that, you gotta come in with "Hitler probably did some good things". Then you gotta come in and try to act like it's only republicans calling him out.
So sorry this happened to you.
Originally posted by Surtur
Just think about this for a second: you guys are dumb enough to keep defending this shit show. Hilarious. Keep it up 🙂Imagine just being unable to say "I want Bernie to win, but he needs to cut this shit out it's not going to contribute to that". Nah, you can't do that, you gotta come in with "Hitler probably did some good things".
self-a·ware·ness
/ˈˌself əˈwernəs/
noun
noun: self-awarenessconscious knowledge of one's own character, feelings, motives, and desires.
^ Get some, ronnie
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnaedur
Authoritarianism is ALWAYS on the left... always.The further left you go, the less freedom there is for the individual and the more government control.
The further left you go, the more collectivism rules the day... the further right you go, the more individualism does.
Individualism >>>> collectivism.
Originally posted by Robtard
Take what you just said and apply it to yourself over the last 3+ years, ronnie:-Imagine just being unable to say "I want
BernieTrump to win, but he needs to cut this shit out it's not going to contribute to that".
Sit this one out, you and a convo about self awareness don't mix.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Except he is not. Voter participation is at the same level as 2016. Not only has he not brought in new voters, he has not grown his support either. He is at his ceiling right now, and if he cannot win over more than 30% of Democratic primary voters, he is not converting independents and Republicans in the general election.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
This article tries to downplay it, but admits it..."The final precinct in New Hampshire reported its results Wednesday, bringing the total count of Democratic ballots to 296,622. That is substantially higher than in 2016, when turnout was 250,983."
[New Hampshire Primary Sets a Record for Turnout, but It May Be Deceiving]
And Nevada...
"As Nevada political expert and Nevada Independent editor Jon Ralston noted, turnout for the caucuses could surpass the 2008 record of 118,000 caucus-goers, and was certainly greater than in 2016. The size of the caucuses’ turnout was evident even before they began Saturday, thanks to four days of early caucusing (that took the form of ranked-choice voting). Ahead of Saturday’s in-person caucuses, about 70,000 people filled out their early caucusing forms, a number that nearly surpassed the total of 84,000 people who caucused in 2016."
[The Nevada caucuses are on track to break a voter turnout record]
You missed his point. He's talking about votes for Bernie. Bernie has hit a ceiling or is performing worse than in 2016.
The proper counter argument against Adam_Poe's point is that there are more candidates this time around so the votes are not split 2 ways but 5-8 ways. Which means Bernie has far more support in 2020 than in 2016 since his numbers remained consistent despite voter split. When those other candidates drop out as the primary/caucuses continue, those votes were funnel into the top 2 candidates and Bernie will vastly eclipse his prior figures.
Right? 171K voters turned out in 2016. Bernie earned 49.6% of those votes.
https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/iowa/
And I had a VERY hard time finding turnout numbers for Iowa 2020. Why is that? Just a bunch of vague references to "same as 2016."
Anyway, added it up and found the number manually:
171,755
Originally posted by dadudemon
Fantasies vs. actually following through with it, though.Many of these same women will never follow through with it.
Maybe but gang rape is way worse than letting a rich guy grope you so I'm cool with it.
And just for fun if Trump began dropping these rape fantasy stats how would Dems react?
Originally posted by Surtur
Anyways, this is sorta like their "Well Hitler probably did some good things" defense.Do you believe for a single second if Trump or any Republican began talking like that...these people would be all "well the nuance" ?
Doesn't bother me.
It's a fairly commonly known thing if you've dated more than 5 women. Or have more than 5 female friends.
Sounds like Bernie has game and has talked to a few women over the years. 😄