Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Course not. But the assertion from Blue is that in a forum fight, Superman is allowing himself to get hit.
I don't consider that a bad/incorrect opinion.
It's the other stuff (sans Domino), as I don't think that gives Weapon H a chance at all. He's just not on that level without Neena's tricks. So that part I definitely disagree with.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So Superman is self-sabotaging?
No. Self-sabotage, from my pov, would be letting Weapon H hit him enough times to affect the outcome of the fight.
Standing there and giving Weapon H that first hit is just Superman being Superman, imo. I mean, it's not like the first hit will kill him. Or that Superman can't react during said strike if it actually cuts him.
There's a Flash scan I need to find the scan that explains my Superman mindset quite well. I'll post it if I come across it.
this thread should be pinned. the way pr is arguing this is precisely the way i had hoped it might be argued. and the way i would love to see more threads being argued.
no one has STILL answered the question regarding superman's piercing durability. has there been a non-magical, non-pis-based weapon that has cut him? i honestly can't recall one off-hand. i think a glancing blow from a claw would NOT cut him, tbh. a full strength slash would. i wonder how deep? if wh drives his claws forward that could be a problem. but i would think superman would be surprised as hell to be bleeding from a slash, regardless of wh's appearance.
Originally posted by -Pr-
No. Self-sabotage, from my pov, would be letting Weapon H hit him enough times to affect the outcome of the fight.Standing there and giving Weapon H that first hit is just Superman being Superman, imo. I mean, it's not like the first hit will kill him. Or that Superman can't react during said strike if it actually cuts him.
There's a Flash scan I need to find the scan that explains my Superman mindset quite well. I'll post it if I come across it.
I see, so the outcome is pretty similar to mine.
The nano(femto? Whatever) second it starts hurting or Superman is in danger, he uses his speed, and it is all over for Weapon H.
Now, there's always Domino's power. But let's not get ahead of ourselves. This is the character who Deadpool dances around, gets tagged by Boomerang, of all people. She has to in a lot of her appearances, focus her ability.
Elektra tagged her pretty well.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/4/43640/1049891-hulk__15_015.jpg
Now, now, I know. A low showing, perhaps? But my point is, it is pretty much Weapon H's ONLY saving grace here - and even in Domino's hands, it isn't infallible.
Originally posted by leonidas
this thread should be pinned. the way pr is arguing this is precisely the way i had hoped it might be argued. and the way i would love to see more threads being argued.no one has STILL answered the question regarding superman's piercing durability. has there been a non-magical, non-pis-based weapon that has cut him? i honestly can't recall one off-hand. i think a glancing blow from a claw would NOT cut him, tbh. a full strength slash would. i wonder how deep? if wh drives his claws forward that could be a problem. but i would think superman would be surprised as hell to be bleeding from a slash, regardless of wh's appearance.
Though inHunter/Prey, I seem to remember DD's claws going right through him even without a prolonged battle that would have depleted his reserves.
Originally posted by leonidashas there been a non-magical, non-pis-based weapon that has cut [Superman]?
i honestly can't recall one off-hand.
Equus's claws, as shown earlier:
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Equus's claws, as shown earlier:
Those of from a fallen angel iirc. so magick.
Originally posted by panthergod
Those of from a fallen angel iirc. so magick.
Them using bones from a fallen angel was mentioned, but how exactly it worked wasn't clear. But it's enough to make this example questionable at best against Superman here.
Every example I can think of him getting cut or stabbed at least was arguably using Kryptonite, red solar energy, energy drain, was mystical or some combination. Except an example with the Royal Flush Gang where they were made 2D and "infinitely sharp," so not conventional.
He's had swords from this alien chick I can't remember the name of break on him, even though her swords cut through Brainiac(Post-DOOMSDAY WARS) who in the same story was tanking punches from Superman and someone supposed to be almost as strong as him as well as the guy's energy blasts which got nice lip service.
He fought that guy with Persuader gear(I think it was) who was strong enough to match him in a strength lock IIRC and his axe could cut through dimensions. He hit Superman with it so hard it knocked him into orbit, and it just cut his costume. I have at least one more feat I thought of last night but forgot.
There's also examples of him taking plasma/LASER type blades(including from superhuman opponents, Hell under a red sun against mech opponents with those swords powered by red solar energy IIRC) but those don't really count unless you assume writer intent(since they work differently).
Seems the argument requires using the type of feat sharing tactics people using them in here complain about while ignoring Superman's feats. So business as usual.
Tbf, the OP originally had Weapon H with Logan's HF and Cho's strength, so even if he has never shown it, we assume he has it.
Then it was later stipulated that he can also have their speed, and Domino's luck powers, also despite him never displaying it to their extent.
So take Wolverine's greatest stabby feats, and take Cho's greatest striking feats, and stack them. Add Sabes' greatest...speed? Feats, stacked onto Warpath's stacked onto Lady Deathstrikes.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWRemember though his will be scaled up due to density. Or will it when he transforms the number of nanites unless he has a hidden reservoir will remain the same so his density of nanites will decrease and his bones should be weaker than in base form... but they aren't, we have to ask why?
Worse than you can imagine.Loses limbs all the damn time.
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Even got her claws cut off once.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Them using bones from a fallen angel was mentioned, but how exactly it worked wasn't clear. But it's enough to make this example questionable at best against Superman here.Every example I can think of him getting cut or stabbed at least was arguably using Kryptonite, red solar energy, energy drain, was mystical or some combination. Except an example with the Royal Flush Gang where they were made 2D and "infinitely sharp," so not conventional.
He's had swords from this alien chick I can't remember the name of break on him, even though her swords cut through Brainiac(Post-DOOMSDAY WARS) who in the same story was tanking punches from Superman and someone supposed to be almost as strong as him as well as the guy's energy blasts which got nice lip service.
He fought that guy with Persuader gear(I think it was) who was strong enough to match him in a strength lock IIRC and his axe could cut through dimensions. He hit Superman with it so hard it knocked him into orbit, and it just cut his costume. I have at least one more feat I thought of last night but forgot ...
In other words, it actually makes logical SENSE for Superman to take a hit or two from most opponents, even ones with bladed weapons, for the vast majority of such things don't hurt him like they would other heroes?
Originally posted by leonidas
this thread should be pinned. the way pr is arguing this is precisely the way i had hoped it might be argued. and the way i would love to see more threads being argued.no one has STILL answered the question regarding superman's piercing durability. has there been a non-magical, non-pis-based weapon that has cut him? i honestly can't recall one off-hand. i think a glancing blow from a claw would NOT cut him, tbh. a full strength slash would. i wonder how deep? if wh drives his claws forward that could be a problem. but i would think superman would be surprised as hell to be bleeding from a slash, regardless of wh's appearance.
Yeah, basically what Goober and Delta said about it: it's not that common, and there's usually some sort of mitigating circumstance.
That and most of Superman's fights tend to be "punchy" affairs rather than stabby ones.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I see, so the outcome is pretty similar to mine.The nano(femto? Whatever) second it starts hurting or Superman is in danger, he uses his speed, and it is all over for Weapon H.
Now, there's always Domino's power. But let's not get ahead of ourselves. This is the character who Deadpool dances around, gets tagged by Boomerang, of all people. She has to in a lot of her appearances, focus her ability.
Elektra tagged her pretty well.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/4/43640/1049891-hulk__15_015.jpg
Now, now, I know. A low showing, perhaps? But my point is, it is pretty much Weapon H's ONLY saving grace here - and even in Domino's hands, it isn't infallible.
There's a scan from a Flash comic from a while back that I'm trying to find that basically shows my line of reasonining: He's walking down the street, and a sniper takes a shot at him. Flash doesn't react until the bullet actually starts to press against his skin; it's only then, when he knows he's in danger, that he reacts. Yet, because we know he's fast enough that he can outrace a bullet travelling even a couple of inches, it makes sense that he can handle it.
If Weapon H can pierce him, the kind of "instinctual reaction" you and Philo mentioned will likely kick in, and he can pull back, or grab H's wrist, or something to that effect. Like how you can only hold your hand over an open flame for so long before you yank it back.
And I agree about the Domino thing; my point was that it's H's only real ace in the hole, assuming it even works in the first place. Otherwise, his stats don't seem to compare from what I can see.
