Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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There is some truth to this.
There is some truth to this.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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Originally posted by celeyhyga17
There is some truth to this.
The really interesting thing about Dark Saint using Ali is that when Ali fought his strongest, most "Hulk"-like opponent in arguably his best and most famous fight, George Foreman in the Rumble in the Jungle, Kinshasa Zaire/Congo 1974, Ali actually chose NOT to avoid but instead TAKE all the punches he could, gambling, correctly, that Foreman would punch himself out. It was like the real life version of Doomsday Rex before there was a Doomsday Rex, and probably inspired the latter to some extent:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Interesting thing is that the mods have ruled, and speed will be used by Superman
If you find that interesting, you're probably in love with the opinion the following mod expressed:
Originally posted by -Pr-My understanding of Weapon H is that he's basically Cho Hulk, but with adamantium claws and the powers of a few other people? With that in mind, my view is basically this:
Superman will get hit at some point (even if it's just at the start), but not because he's slow. It'll be because he'll allow it to happen
It just won't make any difference unless Domino's power kicks in.
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And, of course, Leo has gone out of his way to clarify Domino's power WILL kick in during this match:
Originally posted by leonidas
good grief man.... i've said repeatedly that it is a special STIPULATION of the thread. because wh has few feats, i've granted him his POTENTIAL. the whole in character thing came up later. the OP still stands however--hence he has domino's luck powers.
Given how high Domino punches outside her own weight class, and how quick and efficient Clay is in knocking out enemies, this fight is Weapon H's to lose.
Alas, for you, a much more relevant AND recent post:
The Flash/Relevant Character X will use, at a bare minimum, the least amount of speed/Relevant Power, that he is capable of using under average/normal circumstances, required to not lose the fight, or get so badly injured that it will most-likely cost him the fight. Every superhero or supervillain has a minimum amount of effort and competence that they will utilise going in to a fight. For villains that's usually a higher starting point because they like to not hold back, sure, but the heroes aren't going to be stupid either. They are not going to self-sabotage, and they will not let pride, ego or forgetting they have a way to win the fight to get in the way.
He's not letting himself get hit. That's self-sabotage!
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Originally posted by -Pr-
While I always like being quoted, neither of those points I made disproves/contradicts the other, so I don't imagine them being of any use to you in a debate.The forum rules haven't exactly changed either.
Course not. But the assertion from Blue is that in a forum fight, Superman is allowing himself to get hit.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Point isn't that Superman is slow. It's that he doesn't bother to dodge. Sometimes he doesn't even bother to block, just takes hits full on.
At least in initial encounters.
Sometimes in return engagements.
And he does do habitually.
Which I took to be him saying Superman, based on his comic portrayals, would allow himself to be hit until he loses the match.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Course not. But the assertion from Blue is that in a forum fight, Superman is allowing himself to get hit.Which I took to be him saying Superman, based on his comic portrayals, would allow himself to be hit until he loses the match.
You took it that way because you like to straw man me.
I was fairly clear on this; although it's quite true that Superman does, in the comics, take what a reader like Philo would consider unnecessary hits, note the plural, I'm of the mind that Superman WOULD have enough sense, if the 1st blow really hurt, or made Superman fear them as lethal, to go on the defensive and use some speed.
Problem is, given Weapon H's demonstrated fight training, strategic thinking, tendency to use debilitating thunderclaps, overall efficiency of movement versus opponents, strength, AND Domino's extraordinary mutant "luck" abilities, I can see little other outcome than H scoring an early knockout on Clark.
Take away Domino's power and my vote shifts, possibly enough to grant Superman a majority.
But not until then.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
You took it that way because you like to straw man me.I was fairly clear on this; although it's quite true that Superman does, in the comics, take what a reader like Philo would consider unnecessary hits, note the plural, I'm of the mind that Superman WOULD have enough sense, if the 1st blow really hurt, or made Superman fear them as lethal, to go on the defensive and use some speed.
Problem is, given Weapon H's demonstrated fight training, strategic thinking, tendency to use debilitating thunderclaps, overall efficiency of movement versus opponents, strength, AND Domino's extraordinary mutant "luck" abilities, I can see little other outcome than H scoring an early knockout on Clark.
Take away Domino's power and my vote shifts, possibly enough to grant Superman a majority.
But not until then.
But it's not a strawman.
Yes, Weapon H has all of those abilities.
Yes, Leo had to come in and add further stips for Weapon H to utilise further powers (note OP had nothing about speed or luck powers).
But the problem is, as you yourself acknowledge - Superman WILL use his speed.
How much speed?
Enough that he will win. Oh, he doesn't need to use his absolute 'racing with the Flash' level of speed. But he has enough to make Weapon H unable to use his thunderclaps or strength, unable to utilise his fight training, unable to even use Domino luck powers.
After all, who would win - Bruce Lee, or a bullet? After all, Bruce is considerably more skilled than a mere bullet. Is definitely more strategic etc etc. Doesn't mean he gets the chance once the bullet is in the air and barreling towards him.
One would have to use the highest of showings for one side (Domino, and perhaps Wolverine/Sabes) and the lowest for their opponents (so highlighting who Wolverine has stabbed, Domino has hit) for Weapon H to have a chance.