Should we let the ISIS bride back into the country?
Judge denies motion to fast-track case of American-born ISIS bride
The Trump admin doesn't want to allow her back. Should she be allowed back?
I would say if she's allowed back...surely there are crimes to charge her with. She has said the only punishment should be "therapy".
Depends, if she's a US citizen, she has every right to come back into the US, as that's how it works; but she's then open to face charges for any legitimate crimes she's done in regards to US law (did she actually break any?).
If the Trump admin is correct and she's not a citizen, then she can be denied.
Originally posted by RobtardWhy do you love ISIS so much
Depends, if she's a US citizen, she has every right to come back into the US, as that's how it works; but she's then open to face charges for any legitimate crimes she's done in regards to US law (did she actually break any?).If the Trump admin is correct and she's not a citizen, then she can be denied.
If this is the pregnant woman who wants her child to not be a part of ISIS(I believe that's the UK thing) let her back, have her give birth to the child, then lock her up.
If this is some other woman who openly supported ISIS, but now doesn't and wants to return... Yeah, sure, return her. Just keep her under surveillence and if she broke any laws have her face penance for them.
Originally posted by Robtard
Depends, if she's a US citizen, she has every right to come back into the US, as that's how it works; but she's then open to face charges for any legitimate crimes she's done in regards to US law (did she actually break any?).If the Trump admin is correct and she's not a citizen, then she can be denied.
You are incorrect from a legal perspective. She lost the right of habeas corpus when she joined an organization that has declared war on the US. Since she was a US Citizen, that makes her a rebel under article one, section nine, of the US Constitution (subsection 2).
See below:
2: The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.
Originally posted by Robtard👆 /end thread. Everyone deserves rehabilitation etc, rapists and murderers don't lose citizenship. This would be a more slippery slope than anything freedom of speech related.
Depends, if she's a US citizen, she has every right to come back into the US, as that's how it works; but she's then open to face charges for any legitimate crimes she's done in regards to US law (did she actually break any?).If the Trump admin is correct and she's not a citizen, then she can be denied.
Originally posted by Robtard
Confused on the first part still, do they lose citizenship or no?
You lose your citizenship, usually.
https://www.usa.gov/renounce-lose-citizenship
Rebellion and joining enemy militaries is probably an act of treason under most reasonable definitions.
But the habeas corpus issues are generally not at all applicable to these scenarios - you lose many rights when you commit crimes and you lose all rights when committing treason.
This is the most important part of the case:
"Settled law applied to the relevant events clearly demonstrates that Plaintiff enjoyed diplomatic-agent-level-immunity until February 6, 1995 – after Muthana's birth," the filing says. "Thus, Muthana was not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States when she was born, by virtue of her parents' enjoyment of diplomatic-agent-level immunity. So she did not and could not have acquired U.S. citizenship at birth."
She has no right to citizenship from both angles:
1. Birthright citizenship - she does not have it because her father still enjoyed diplomatic privileges until after her birth (see above).
2. US Citizenship - she lost it, even if she had it, when she committed treason by joining ISIS. She no longer gets to enjoy habeas corpus and her citizenship rights are lost.
She can apply for refugee status, possibly. But it will most likely get denied.
This thread is done unless you guys want to talk more about this scenario.
Originally posted by Putinbot1I don't see the slippery slope. It applies when you swear allegiance to an entity that is literally at war with the United States. That is a very specific criteria. Seems like a pretty straight forward reason to lose your citizenship.
👆 /end thread. Everyone deserves rehabilitation etc, rapists and murderers don't lose citizenship. This would be a more slippery slope than anything freedom of speech related.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Is being a Bride joining the military?
Yes.
But your question is better asked in a more factual way:
Is formally and publicly joining ISIS; obtaining a recognized title, within and externally to ISIS, called an ISIS bride; joining ISIS?
When framed in a proper way like I have, the answer to the question becomes obviously rhetorical. 👆
Why would you ask your question so dishonestly, though? What's your agenda/angle in being dishonest like this? There's no wiggle room with a clear track record and mountain of evidence that she publicly, formally, voluntarily joined ISIS. She stated herself that she started to question joining ISIS around the time she got married to her second ISIL husband after the first one was killed. She was literally "in it" for that long before she questioned her motives. That, alone, her own personal testimony, destroys any hope she has of undoing her terrible ideas.
"I regret robbing the bank. I want to go back on my formal and official declaration that I want to rob the bank, the car trip to the bank, and the actions of actually robbing the bank."
It doesn't work that way.