Originally posted by dadudemon
HmmmI'm usually open minded but I don't know about this.
Let the parents decide by getting a vote from parents. It forces them to be active in their children's education (extremely important for future success from multiple studies) and also get to decide what their children are exposed to. Seems like a win win.
It's highly unlikely that the parents were not informed ahead of time of this guest speaker, which or course then allows the parents to opt their children out of that time and the kids are then sent to the library (or other room) to work on reading, homework and such.
It is VERY LIKELY that the Parents were NOT Informed about this.
Schools Do this kind of Shit Now All the Time.
People Really Need to Stand Up and Fight Back against the Lefts attempts to SEXUALIZE Small Children Like this.
But Hey. If you got no probs with Child Pedophilia and Molestation. Vote DEMOCRAT!
Originally posted by dadudemon
Do you fear your future children turning transgender by being exposed (please...for the love of all that is holy, no pun intended) to transvestites?I don't think that's possible because they are two different things. If you fear one of your sons getting the idea to decorate themselves with an extremely exaggerated version of female cosmetic application and attire, I guess you could try quarantining your kids for a while.
You might be better served not being hypercontrolling and helicopter parenting, though. They won't discover these things on their own and get a sense of excitement (because children get excited and full of glee when they think they are doing something bad or "not playing by the rules" because they are kids). It could end up being worse where a kid ventures too far into these things and ends up experiencing gender dysphoria or one of the LGB things.
I'm not a fan of modern social constructionist ideology and gender theory, there are things about it with which I disagree, and I'd rather not pull a 5 year old into that topic where they'll be either politically brainwashed by the state, or caught in a very confusing position where their education system and parents are saying two different things.
And that's the thing though, if they went to a school that was pushing this shit I'd either have to helicopter parent or surrender them to the teachings of the state, and I'd rather not do either of those things. I'd rather they explore those subjects and engage in these discussions themselves when they're old enough to actually think about this stuff.
I'd prefer a hands off approach DDM, I keep my hands off, the state/education system keeps their hands off. That's my ideal.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
It's moreso that I don't want/trust the state/education system to impart a cultural/political agenda onto 5 year olds.I'm not a fan of modern social constructionist ideology and gender theory, there are things about it with which I disagree, and I'd rather not pull a 5 year old into that topic where they'll be either politically brainwashed by the state, or caught in a very confusing position where their education system and parents are saying two different things.
And that's the thing though, if they went to a school that was pushing this shit I'd either have to helicopter parent or surrender them to the teachings of the state, and I'd rather not do either of those things. I'd rather they explore those subjects and engage in these discussions themselves when they're old enough to actually think about this stuff.
I'll cover a few points:
1. You sound exactly like a Mormon libertarian parent who wants to home-school their children to prevent them from being indoctrinated by sinful beliefs and ideas. Since I am a Mormon, this is not an insult to you. If anyone else said this, it would definitely be an insult.
2. How do you reconcile these beliefs with places like The Philippines where transgenderism and transvestites are widely accepted and even celebrated? They grow up around these types of lifestyles and it seems "normal" to them. From babies to adults, they are are exposed to this. It's just "natural" for them. Are the children harmed by knowing about this stuff? What happens to them other than them being more accepting of these kinds of people because it's normal for them? You answer on this is very important to understand what you think vs. what is reality. This is not a gotcha question and there is no wrong answer. I don't have data on this other than the fact that gender dysphoria has similar suicide rates in cultures with much greater levels of acceptance than the US (this is part of why I think the DSM5 has Gender Dysphoria listed as a pathology, still: post-op and even accepting cultures don't seem to reduce the mental health issues and suicide rates among those with Gender Dysphoria).
3. Being a transvestite is not the same thing as gender dysphoria and transgenderism. How do you relate those to this particular topic and does anything change with your position?
Originally posted by dadudemon
I'll cover a few points:1. You sound exactly like a Mormon libertarian parent who wants to home-school their children to prevent them from being indoctrinated by sinful beliefs and ideas. Since I am a Mormon, this is not an insult to you. If anyone else said this, it would definitely be an insult.
Originally posted by dadudemon
2. How do you reconcile these beliefs with places like The Philippines where transgenderism and transvestites are widely accepted and even celebrated? They grow up around these types of lifestyles and it seems "normal" to them. From babies to adults, they are are exposed to this. It's just "natural" for them. Are the children harmed by knowing about this stuff? What happens to them other than them being more accepting of these kinds of people because it's normal for them? You answer on this is very important to understand what you think vs. what is reality. This is not a gotcha question and there is no wrong answer. I don't have data on this other than the fact that gender dysphoria has similar suicide rates in cultures with much greater levels of acceptance than the US (this is part of why I think the DSM5 has Gender Dysphoria listed as a pathology, still: post-op and even accepting cultures don't seem to reduce the mental health issues and suicide rates among those with Gender Dysphoria).
Originally posted by dadudemon
3. Being a transvestite is not the same thing as gender dysphoria and transgenderism. How do you relate those to this particular topic and does anything change with your position?
I'm sorry, but as a father I would not at all be comfortable with drag queens having 'story time' with any of my kids... Especially at that age(the kids there look like they're anywhere from 1st to 3rd grade.)
I know we live in an age where some parents thinks it's acceptable to let their children choose what gender they want to be from birth, but I don't subscribe to that way of thinking. Call me old fashioned, but I am still one of those 'intolerant assholes' who thinks that girls have vaginas and boys have dicks.
That being said, I really don't want to try and explain to my six year old why some random man was wearing high heels, makeup, and a mini skirt to her reading hour AT SCHOOL. The gender identity issue should not be forced down my kids' throats before they're even old enough to grasp what "gender identity" even means.
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
YouTube video
What is the point of this? What do the children get out of it being specifically drag queens that read to them?
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Oh **** me no I wouldn't homeschool, and I'd really rather not have to shelter. My parents sent me to public school, with a lot of diverse people in terms of identity and thought and behavior and I turned out fine. Its the indoctrination I'm concerned with, not the exposure itself.
You think you're fine but others might call you an indoctrinated, close-minded, bigoted, God-fearing idiot.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Here's the thing, there's a difference between them going to an elementary school with other transgender students, or even a teacher who just happens to be transgender, and going to an elementary school where part of the curriculum is instilling them with gender ideology.
I'd say your words, here, are not strong enough. They are attending reading sessions where young children are taught about transgenderism with ideas such that "biologicalsex is a social construct" as a fact instead of the truth of those being a political/ideological agenda that are often unscientific.
That's a word salad but you get the point.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I don't see any way that the two wouldn't be part of the same cultural agenda/push. It would seem incredibly random for them to do this if the point wasn't to push a cultural agenda.
I agree. Now that I've thought about it, they simply do not have transvestites or transgendered people come into schools and read from books to push socio-political ideaologies that are unscientific.* It's more like, "Brian feels like he is more like Briana so he tries to make himself look more like a Briana" when a kid asks. But no one is showing up to schools and indoctrinating children with transgenderism ideologies that SOME from the LGBT+ community hold. I have multiple first-hand accounts to go from on this. 🙂
*I should clarify that they are too busy studying their asses off with legitimate coursework, in The Philippines, to give two shits about who dresses up as what. When you have to worry about the possibility of abject poverty, you tend to focus on more important things.
There seems to be some confusion among the certain expected types.
A Drag Queen isn't a transgender person, it's literally a man who dresses up in women's clothes and makeup (often exaggerated) for the purposes of entertaining. Usually singing and dancing. While most are generally gay men, there are straight drag queens as well.
Originally posted by Robtard
Drag Queen
noun-a man who dresses up in women's clothes, typically for the purposes of entertainment
So an entertainer read a book to children; this is what is making you tolerable people flip out and pearl-clutch. Legit lolz, never change.
This is disingenuous.
A drag queen is not a clown. There is an agenda here. And using kids to push it is disgusting and morally abhorrent imo.
Kids are PARTICULARLY impressionable. Any parent who allows this....SMH.
If its just some cross dressers coming in and reading stuff like The Little Engine Who Could to show kids that dudes in dresses are people too, then i see no problem with it. Or if they're normal kids stories that happen to include a dude or 2 in a skirt, im fine with that.
If they're propaganda (for lack of a better word) that pushes a certain philosophical ideology such as, genders a myth there are no such things as girls or boys, or other nonsense like that, should be discussed somewhere thats not a public school imho.
Originally posted by Raptor22
If its just some cross dressers coming in and reading stuff like The Little Engine Who could to show kids that dudes in dresses are people too, then i see no problem with it. Or if they're normal kids stories that happen to include a dude or 2 in a skirt, im fine with that.If they're propaganda (for lack of a better word) that pushes a certain philosophical ideology such as, genders a myth there are no such things as girls or boys, or other nonsense like that, should be discussed somewhere thats not a public school imho.
This is contradictory.
Let kids be kids.