Originally posted by Silent Master
Even if true, they didn't do even .1% as much damage. thus per your own standards. this is either an outlier or a low showing. either way. per your own standards, it's unusable.
It's not an outlier. WW sliced through DD several times, just not completely through due to inferior attempts.
Even if it was for WW, it still counts, as all outliers. Remember we argue high showings as the level a character will be at in a forum fight.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Lol. We don't cherry pick the highest showings and disregard all other showings. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. That's like saying Michael Jordan can score 69 points in every single basketball game just because he was able to do it that one time.No, we use consistent showings. We use applicable showings.
Fact is, WW has never shown the ability to consistently apply her superspeed in a melee fight, especially not against decent melee fighters.
Yes, WW has blocked bullets before... unfortunately Hela doesn't use guns. So we go with what we've seen WW do in melee and h2h... and we know that Luddendorf, Ares and Steppenwolf all had no issues tagging her.
Who is "we"? It's certainly not the majority of the members of the forum.
You had plenty of opportunity to tell others (who support Marvel characters) this, such as Cartage, Rage, and several others, but failed to do so (meaning you accepted their take).
Originally posted by h1a8
It's not an outlier. WW sliced through DD several times, just not completely through due to inferior attempts.Even if it was for WW, it still counts, as all outliers. Remember we argue high showings as the level a character will be at in a forum fight.
Now you're just lying.
Nope, per your stated standards neither outliers or low showings count.
Originally posted by h1a8
The ruling is based off the how the majority of members here debate AND Robtard (mod in disguise). Otherwise we have to throw out Hela's Mjolnir crush, Thor's star feat, and every other outlier feat.
Again, where is this ruling set? Prove to me that majority of users here are completely fine disregarding all a character's feats in lieu of only their highest outliers.
I personally don't use Hela's Mjolnir crush but at least she has no other feat that directly contradicts it. Same is true with Thor's star feat. On the other hand, we have numerous instances where WW directly contradicts her supposed super speed, so you can't simply ignore that.
We use high end feats but we don't depend on only them. Otherwise Hela would be strong enough to kill Hulk with.a single blow and Thor would be so tough that punches from Thanos shouldn't have hurt him. Is that how you want to debate?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Again, where is this ruling set? Prove to me that majority of users here are completely fine disregarding all a character's feats in lieu of only their highest outliers.I personally don't use Hela's Mjolnir crush but at least she has no other feat that directly contradicts it. Same is true with Thor's star feat. On the other hand, we have numerous instances where WW directly contradicts her supposed super speed, so you can't simply ignore that.
We use high end feats but we don't depend on only them. Otherwise Hela would be strong enough to kill Hulk with.a single blow and Thor would be so tough that punches from Thanos shouldn't have hurt him. Is that how you want to debate?
It's not worth my time to prove to you that the majority debate off highest showings. You have members clearly state that Superman can't harm Thor and other nonsense. Yet you see these posts and don't correct them (which proves that you argue the same). You personally have argued high end showings MANY TIMES. Thor's star feat was a heat resistant feat, it has no bearing on him resisting punches to the face or being cut.
Every showing by Hela contradicts her Mjolnir crush feat. She hit much weaker Asgardians without killing them, Hit Thor without killing or koing him, Hit characters a certain distance away (far under 50 tons of force), etc. I argued the feat was an outlier and shouldn't be used to establish her strength in a forum. Everyone disagreed.
What do you suggest? WW not be able to see bullets in slow motion in a forum and can lose to a simple skilled gunman?
Originally posted by Silent Master
Now you're just lying.Nope, per your stated standards neither outliers or low showings count.
My standards are what they currently are. Not what they were.
As of now, high end showings determines a character's power level in a forum. Outliers can be used as a high end showing.
Originally posted by h1a8
It's not worth my time to prove to you that the majority debate off highest showings. You have members clearly state that Superman can't harm Thor and other nonsense. Yet you see these posts and don't correct them (which proves that you argue the same). You personally have argued high end showings MANY TIMES. Thor's star feat was a heat resistant feat, it has no bearing on him resisting punches to the face or being cut.Every showing by Hela contradicts her Mjolnir crush feat. She hit much weaker Asgardians without killing them, Hit Thor without killing or koing him, Hit characters a certain distance away (far under 50 tons of force), etc. I argued the feat was an outlier and shouldn't be used to establish her strength in a forum. Everyone disagreed.
What do you suggest? WW not be able to see bullets in slow motion in a forum and can lose to a simple skilled gunman?
Actually, you do need to prove something that you claim. That's how debates like this work. If you claim there's a rule here that states we get to disregard all of a character's feats except the highest showings then you need to provide proof of that. Otherwise your entire argument becomes just a huge pile of bullcrap.
I never argued using highest feats only. I've always argued using highest feats AND all their other feats.
Originally posted by h1a8
My standards are what they currently are. Not what they were.
As of now, high end showings determines a character's power level in a forum. Outliers can be used as a high end showing.
IOW, you've just admitted that you change your standards based on who you want to win.
Guess what that makes you.
Originally posted by h1a8
WW just lopped a limb off instantly.1. Hela moves at human speed.
2. Diana sees bullets in slow-mo 100% of the time and many times. She has also used speed outside of bullets multiple times.
Its not a one off. Your analogy does not work. Create a poll asking if WW seeing bullets in slow-mo standard ability and not an outlier.3. The round was slower than a bullet. We clearly see it flying past him. Any great movie skilled MA could have dodged that from that distance. Even if it wasn't, then by your argument, it would be a one off and doesn't count.
Originally posted by Eon BlueOnly an idiot would agree with you. You are dumb as a box of rox.
That would be you. The entire board agrees with me, moron.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Just like all of WW's sword attack feats contradict her cutting off DD's hand feat, yet you want to count one but not the other.Guess what that makes you.
No they don't contradict her cutting off DD's hand. But that's another argument.
Youare mistakenly thinking I'm saying that Hela's Mjolnir feat don't count as her forum power level. It does. Remember I'm a proponent of high end showings, so Hela's feat can contradict all her other showings and it still be the level she operates in a forum fight.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Actually, you do need to prove something that you claim. That's how debates like this work. If you claim there's a rule here that states we get to disregard all of a character's feats except the highest showings then you need to provide proof of that. Otherwise your entire argument becomes just a huge pile of bullcrap.I never argued using highest feats only. I've always argued using highest feats AND all their other feats.
I don't have to prove common sense things or things that people already know are true.
You mostly argued highest feats. Why didn't you address those who stated Superman cant hurt Thor because of his star feat?
Originally posted by h1a8I don't have to prove common sense things or things that people already know are true.
You mostly argued highest feats. Why didn't you address those who stated Superman cant hurt Thor because of his star feat?
Except what you're discussing isn't common sense. It's pretty darn idiotic to claim that we disregard every single feat of a character other than their highest feats. If you want to claim that then go get a ruling.
As for arguing highest feats, I never argued purely using highest feats. I also never said Superman can't hurt Thor and have repeatedly said that he can do so. I might argue that some versions of Thor can win over some versions of Superman, but claiming that Thor can simply sit back and allow Superman to lay into him indefinitely is the kind of dumb argument only a person like you will claim.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Except what you're discussing isn't common sense. It's pretty darn idiotic to claim that we disregard every single feat of a character other than their highest feats. If you want to claim that then go get a ruling.As for arguing highest feats, I never argued purely using highest feats. I also never said Superman can't hurt Thor and have repeatedly said that he can do so. I might argue that some versions of Thor can win over some versions of Superman, but claiming that Thor can simply sit back and allow Superman to lay into him indefinitely is the kind of dumb argument only a person like you will claim.
I said the majority of members here argue that (not every member).
You had members say such things and you didn't address them at all. That means you support them.
Almost every member here would argue a character's highest showing. This is common sense. From WS, to CA, to Spider-Man, to Thor, to Hulk, I can go on and on. Only highest showings are brought up, even if they are outliers. And this is from nearly everyone. I even had an argument with Robtard about it. I was discussing with him that we should use more of an average. He was the first to clearly state that we use a characters peak showings only since using averages are inconsistent and complicated.