Captain Marvel & Wonder Woman vs. Hela

Originally posted by h1a8
So you are implying that you never saw such posts? I don't believe you sir.

A few members literally claimed it, but everyone debates that way (including you). They used the highest showings in determining who wins. No mention of low showings was ever present anywhere.

When Hela is pit against someone, members mention her Mjolnir crushing feat and not her feat of failing to kill an Asgardian with physical blows or only managing to hit or throw someone several feet away.

When Hulk is pitted against someone, the leviathan feat is only discussed, or the Surtur feat.

When Thor is pitted against someone then the star feat is mentioned, Jotuheim blast, etc.

When IM is mentioned, him dodging missiles is mentioned, tanking shells (all from IM 1).

Cap tanking blows against WS while WS highest showings being mentioned to show the force CA was tanking, not remembering that CA isn't bullet proof or knife proof.

All of that is irrelevant. WW has consistently blocked many bullets. So many that it's the most consistent feat. She will not come into a forum less than a bullet timer. Otherwise John Wick would easily beat her.

You know what else is mentioned, all their other feats. IOW, the exact opposite of your claim that they only use a characters highest feats to debate.

Originally posted by h1a8
I just did. The egg principle. The static friction force principle. You can ignore it without addressing it. Doesn't mean anything to me.

That in no ways proves that WW's other sword attacks did even 1% as much damage. so as it stands DD getting his hand cut of is a low end feat and thus according to you can't be used.

Originally posted by h1a8
So you are implying that you never saw such posts? I don't believe you sir.

A few members literally claimed it, but everyone debates that way (including you). They used the highest showings in determining who wins. No mention of low showings was ever present anywhere.

When Hela is pit against someone, members mention her Mjolnir crushing feat and not her feat of failing to kill an Asgardian with physical blows or only managing to hit or throw someone several feet away.

When Hulk is pitted against someone, the leviathan feat is only discussed, or the Surtur feat.

When Thor is pitted against someone then the star feat is mentioned, Jotuheim blast, etc.

When IM is mentioned, him dodging missiles is mentioned, tanking shells (all from IM 1).

Cap tanking blows against WS while WS highest showings being mentioned to show the force CA was tanking, not remembering that CA isn't bullet proof or knife proof.

All of that is irrelevant. WW has consistently blocked many bullets. So many that it's the most consistent feat. She will not come into a forum less than a bullet timer. Otherwise John Wick would easily beat her.

I'm saying you're exaggerating. I don't recall anyone saying that Superman can't hurt Thor whatsoever. Especially not in a thread I was actively participating in. So either prove that there's such a thing or stop making stuff up.

And don't try to equate me with your tactics. As far as I know you're the only one (and maybe Josh and Quan every now and then) who completely disregards a characters' other showings and pretend like the highest showing is the only relevant feat that they have.

Please don't pretend that everyone here debates like you do. That's very insulting for them.

Originally posted by h1a8
Your argument is flawed.
I can squeeze an egg with an inferior grip and do 0 damage. But with a superior grip, I can apply more force and cause the egg to shatter. The damage is infinitely more in the second grip than the first grip. There is no contradiction.

In other words, you would have to apply nearly the same force or a superior force with a drastically lesser result to show a contradiction.

If it takes 1lb of force to completely cut through something and someone applied 0.9lb. of force then this can result in less than 1% damage than using 1lb.

Originally posted by Nevan
It's funny how you don't apply this to Hela.

Apply what?
That principle does not apply to her case.

Also her feat is accepted as a strength feat. So there is nothing to discuss.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
You can’t even spell rocks* properly. What a joke.

So you are discounting the entire forum? Someone is obviously egotistical little cretin. Perhaps you should cite “evidence”, as you are so prone to do.

Clown.

😂

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm saying you're exaggerating. I don't recall anyone saying that Superman can't hurt Thor whatsoever. Especially not in a thread I was actively participating in. So either prove that there's such a thing or stop making stuff up.

And don't try to equate me with your tactics. As far as I know you're the only one (and maybe Josh and Quan every now and then) who completely disregards a characters' other showings and pretend like the highest showing is the only relevant feat that they have.

Please don't pretend that everyone here debates like you do. That's very insulting for them.

I don't believe that you don't know that EVERYONE does this. There's nothing to discuss honestly.

No one mentions low showings, only high ones in every thread.

We are derailing the thread. Fact is WW comes into every forum fight as a nothing less than a bullet timer. Not debatable really.

More claims with no evidence to back them up, just what we expect from a known liar and troll.

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't believe that you don't know that EVERYONE does this. There's nothing to discuss honestly.

No one mentions low showings, only high ones in every thread.

We are derailing the thread. Fact is WW comes into every forum fight as a nothing less than a bullet timer. Not debatable really.

If it's so common then it shouldn't be too hard for you to prove it right? Forgive me for doubting you, but your posting history here shows that you have a penchant for making stuff up and exaggerating.

Bottom line, WW never showed that she can consistently speed blitz a skilled opponent. So stop acting like she does.

Originally posted by FrothByte
If it's so common then it shouldn't be too hard for you to prove it right? Forgive me for doubting you, but your posting history here shows that you have a penchant for making stuff up and exaggerating.

Bottom line, WW never showed that she can consistently speed blitz a skilled opponent. So stop acting like she does.

Who cares about blitzing? She will see Hela as a statue. Point blank simple.

Originally posted by h1a8
Who cares about blitzing? She will see Hela as a statue. Point blank simple.

WW has never blitzed anyone other than humans. She was a statue when Superman and Flash were fighting.
Steppenwolf wasn't a statue to her. Ares wasn't a statue to her.
The only people you see her use her speed against is regular humans
As far as Wonder Woman's speed is concerned, she has only used it as an advantage against humans not against anyone that is super-powered.

Originally posted by h1a8
Play stupid all you want but I don't believe you sir.

Who cares about blitzing? She will see Hela as a statue. Point blank simple.

The same way she saw Luddendorf and Steppenwolf as status, yes?

Originally posted by h1a8
Play stupid all you want but I don't believe you sir.

Who cares about blitzing? She will see Hela as a statue. Point blank simple.

Name-calling because you can't provide proof of your claims, typical troll tactic.

Originally posted by FrothByte
The same way she saw Luddendorf and Steppenwolf as status, yes?

Originally posted by Inhuman
WW has never blitzed anyone other than humans. She was a statue when Superman and Flash were fighting.
Steppenwolf wasn't a statue to her. Ares wasn't a statue to her.
The only people you see her use her speed against is regular humans
As far as Wonder Woman's speed is concerned, she has only used it as an advantage against humans not against anyone that is super-powered.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Name-calling because you can't provide proof of your claims, typical troll tactic.

Look everyone. Silent is very smart. He says that calling a male adult 'sir' is name-calling. Or telling someone they are playing stupid is name-calling.

Originally posted by h1a8
Play stupid all you want but I don't believe you sir.

carol has no bullet speed perception feats while fighting in CQC throughout her film. And so while diana did not display such feats consistently, you cant excuse the fact that she still displayed them. unlike carol who did not. So on CQC diana takes it or 50/50. When it comes to long rage where carol'll be more adept at using those blasts, diana's gear nullifies them. Her bracelet and shield have been shown to either tank or absorb energy. Not saying diana wont be hit, just saying that with that gear, that facet of carol's attack is greatly subdued.
Overall i'll give it 50/50 or 5.5/10 to carol.

WW has a one shot weapon (the sword).
She's way faster if the fight ever got to fisticuffs.
Diana should view CM as a statue

Originally posted by h1a8
No, she will see them as statues too in a forum fight.

So, again, you want to disregard her actual feats of fighting Steppenwolf and Luddendorf and instead create your own version of events based purely on WW's bullet blocking?

Heck, you should have said so in the first place. Because then we could say that:

Thor has blocked laser blaster bolts. Hela has easily kept up with Thor, therefore Hela is a definite speedster. She should be at least as fast if not faster than WW since we know lasers travel faster than bullets.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So, again, you want to disregard her actual feats of fighting Steppenwolf and Luddendorf and instead create your own version of events based purely on WW's bullet blocking?

Heck, you should have said so in the first place. Because then we could say that:

Thor has blocked laser blaster bolts. Hela has easily kept up with Thor, therefore Hela is a definite speedster. She should be at least as fast if not faster than WW since we know lasers travel faster than bullets.

Using h1's way of debating, We can also say since Steppenwolf manhandled Wonder Woman with ease, and Thor would be able to stomp Stepp, and Hela beat Thor, then WW would be no threat to Hela.

Originally posted by h1a8
Are you saying Ares and Steppenwolf are fast as bullets or faster? If WW can see bullets in super slow motion then any character that moves with the speed of a human will be frozen in her eyes.

Ares and Stepp , even Luddendorf were able to fight WW no problem and they didnt show any impressive speed. Also being able to block bullets doesnt mean she sees the bullets in slow motion.

We been over this a million times. You are trolling as usual at this point.