KF Vader vs SOR Revan

Originally posted by CaveDude33211
Even though Vitiate is a shitty character, he's probably still more powerful than Plagueis.

And Mace Windu during The Phantom Menace hadn't reached his potential like he did in Revenge Of The Sith.

TPM Mace wouldn't be very close to Yoda in power.

KotoR Revan with all his accolades and training from Kreia is probably a peer to Mace Windu as he was during The Phantom Menace.

The quotes saying mace windu is the greatest warrior in the order are circa TPM which makes him > TPM Yoda though obviously yoda is more powerful as of ROTS. I agree with kotor revan being a peer of tpm mace but mace is still a bit more powerful. However Knightfall vader would definitively defeat tpm mace and by proxy revan. So malak defeating someone who is in kotor revan's stomp range isnt impressive considering base rots anakin would definitively beat kotor revan let alone KF vader

All of the above is pure conjecture based on cherrypicked accolades.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
All of the above is pure conjecture based on cherrypicked accolades.

My reasoning for kotor revan being able to stomp kavar is because kreia was able to do the same. If you also take into consideration the cut content that obsidian planned to put in the game but ran out of time(poor obsidian never get the time they need to complete their games) kreia was supposed to stomp the masters on dantooine with force crush prior to draining them. Regardless kotor revan is confirmed to be more powerful than kreia meaning he should be able to replicate kreia's feat just as easily if not easier. Considering kf vader stomped cin drallig and should be able to stomp dooku as easily as he did on the invisisble hand likely means someone like kavar would be fodder to him and at the very least well within his stomp range. So trying to say kavar is a rival swordsmen to anakin doesn't make much sense

For the record, as has been stated for years. The Jedi Order between TOTJ and the end of the OSW were the combative prime of the Jedi Order, even moreso than they were in TCW. The KotORCG confirms this.

Originally posted by AncientPower
For the record, as has been stated for years. The Jedi Order between TOTJ and the end of the OSW were the combative prime of the Jedi Order, even moreso than they were in TCW. The KotORCG confirms this.

Being better than TCW Jedi isn’t that hard.

You used golden age logic on the last page.

This thread is not okay.

Good fight, bad logic.

Revan wins.

Originally posted by AncientPower
You used golden age logic on the last page.

"During this time, the jedi order it at the summit of its power and self confidence."(Kotor CG)

The quote is likely referring to the collective power of the order. Which only means that the jedi were on average stronger, but that doesn't mean the best of the kotor era jedi are at all peers of the best PT jedi.

Of course thats assuming its speaking only of combative ability. Power in respect to entire organizations, even a warrior monastic tradition like the jedi usually refers to things like the organization's influence. A real world example would be the knights templar whose peak power refers to when their influence had spread all over Europe, not when they were primarily warriors in the crusades. Of course real world examples do not always work but its still worth noting.

Jedi and Sith from the PT aren't at their peak in Force power, they are at their peak in political power.

As fighters, they stink.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
This thread is not okay.

Good fight, bad logic.

Revan wins.

Would you mind telling me the problem with my logic? I'm rather new to this and am trying to improve.

Originally posted by Trocity
Jedi and Sith from the PT aren't at their peak in Force power, they are at their peak in political power.

As fighters, they stink.

Agreed. 👆

I think that's definitely what Lucas meant when he said the PT was the "Golden age of Jedi".

He wasn't speaking of power - since the PT Jedi were rusty and hadn't fought a full-scale war in thousands of years.

Originally posted by AncientPower
You used golden age logic on the last page.

Regardless of whether it’s the golden age of Jedi or not TCW doesn’t portray them well at all. There’s a bunch of times master level people are subjected to shit that shouldn’t even have happened to a Padawan.

I could argue that Revan survives anything KF Vader tries to throw at him since he survived taking a lightsaber to the face. But KF Vader probably wins, unless you think 1 of 2 things: a) KF Vader wasn't as powerful as Darth Sidious or Yoda, but they beat Revan; b) Darth Sidious and Yoda don't beat Revan.

TCW doesn’t portray them well at all. There’s a bunch of times master level people are subjected to shit that wouldn't have happened to Padawan Obi-Wan, HoT or Barsen'thor.

I could make the argument that Force-users don't necessarily get stronger as they get older and Padawan Obi-Wan > Master Obi-Wan (or any of the other masters bar Mace and Yoda), but it's clear Obi-Wan was just a lucky and exceptionally capable Padawan.