Originally posted by Supermutant
So I'll host this bz and/or can judge it. Mr Mind was a judge in your previous cancelled BZ so Alberto you shouldn't have a problem with him. And Smurph wants to see this BZ takes place, so I'm sure he is up for judging. So your judges and host are all set.The next thing you guys need to decide is what is standard gear for Bruce.
If you run away from this Alberto there is no turning back. Even Comicvine will permaban you.
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I'd be happy to judge
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
are you guys serious? I was JK holy---I'll gladly do a battlezone with anyone , but not Bats vs Cap. that cavs been done so many times
enough with the excuses
For me, standard gear is everything Bats has been shown to use, without specific prep time.
So no mental shielding as when he went up against the White Martians. But yes to foam, as used against Damage. No to freeze guns as used against the Talons, but yes to pellets as used against Ghost Soldier. Yes to grenades as used against the General. Cables. Tasers, acid, rockets, fire, Nth metal, sonics, magnets.
No need to bring the Batvehicles in, even though he summons them remotely. Unless Alberto thinks it's fair game. No Outsider suit, or Hellbat, or any of those special suits.
I'm not BZing anyone I simply don't have the time but I'm going to try and argue for Cap FTW. He's fought people and been in lots of deathtraps. He has stat superiority, theres no reason for us to even think that Bruce is equal to him in skill and Cap has fought lots of people with martial art skill and gadgets and done fine. Cap went up against Taskmaster with explosive arrows, sword and shield without his shield and he was still holding his own.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
For me, standard gear is everything Bats has been shown to use, without specific prep time.So no mental shielding as when he went up against the White Martians. But yes to foam, as used against Damage. No to freeze guns as used against the Talons, but yes to pellets as used against Ghost Soldier. Yes to grenades as used against the General. Cables. Tasers, acid, rockets, fire, Nth metal, sonics, magnets.
No need to bring the Batvehicles in, even though he summons them remotely. Unless Alberto thinks it's fair game. No Outsider suit, or Hellbat, or any of those special suits.
I honestly not interesting in BZing though, we could dicuss in public. but that cav's been done alot, i would BZ you on something else but not on this topic. i could address the stragety you were going to use in the bz on here though
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Has that foam actually stopped anyone?
BZ me to find out sneer
But in all seriousness......one assumes that Bats throws one item, then sits back. But in a BZ? EVERYTHING is being used. Not all of it is lethal. Foam plus freeze capsules plus cabling, whilst the shield is magnetically controlled away, whilst sonics etc etc?
And that's not going into his lethal ordnance. If, as you say, his foam has never worked....his explosives have. His tasers have. And if we use the same logic, and judge his equipment by who it's worked against (which, btw, is a fair logic, don't get me wrong), then that opens a whole world of pain as to who Batman has affected with his gear.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
BZ me to find out sneerBut in all seriousness......one assumes that Bats throws one item, then sits back. But in a BZ? EVERYTHING is being used. Not all of it is lethal. Foam plus freeze capsules plus cabling, whilst the shield is magnetically controlled away, whilst sonics etc etc?
And that's not going into his lethal ordnance. If, as you say, his foam has never worked....his explosives have. His tasers have. And if we use the same logic, and judge his equipment by who it's worked against (which, btw, is a fair logic, don't get me wrong), then that opens a whole world of pain as to who Batman has affected with his gear.
cap has vast mental processing,which makes him adapt and overcome things he doesn't know very quickly and also various scenarios especially in combat
and h2h arguably goes to steve too
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
BZ me to find out sneerBut in all seriousness......one assumes that Bats throws one item, then sits back. But in a BZ? EVERYTHING is being used. Not all of it is lethal. Foam plus freeze capsules plus cabling, whilst the shield is magnetically controlled away, whilst sonics etc etc?
And that's not going into his lethal ordnance. If, as you say, his foam has never worked....his explosives have. His tasers have. And if we use the same logic, and judge his equipment by who it's worked against (which, btw, is a fair logic, don't get me wrong), then that opens a whole world of pain as to who Batman has affected with his gear.
Is there still CIS in BZ?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
CIS doesn't mean much when there's a full capacity rule to reduce its effects a great deal.
I'm not sure if it does that, what full capacity means is that they will use everything doesn't mean that they won't use they're personality and logically it doesn't even make sense for Batman to use all his weapons at once. What if it doesn't work and then Cap knows he has that weapon?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You're arguing CIS with Batman?
I'm arguing that he's going to use his personality, yes. What's wrong with that?
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
why would batman have a magnet?
Because he does. Lol. It's Bats.
Originally posted by Deadline
I'm not sure if it does that, what full capacity means is that they will use everything doesn't mean that they won't use they're personality and logically it doesn't even make sense for Batman to use all his weapons at once. What if it doesn't work and then Cap knows he has that weapon?I'm arguing that he's going to use his personality, yes. What's wrong with that?
It's in his personality to use any and all means at his disposal to win.
Even of it means turning Prometheus into Galan's wet dream, for example (Huntress even calls him out on cheating). Every item I mentioned, he's used, sometimes against super powered opponents (like Cap is) or against normal humans (like Cap APPEARS at first glance).
Read my very first post here. I didn't come in looking for a BZ. Like I said, the lack of prior info handicaps Batman, who wouldn't know what Cap is capable of, and thus, would hold back and study from the shadows, IMO. That's why i said it would be hard - never said it was a cakewalk.
But once he realises what Cap is, why WOULDN'T he use his gear? I see Albert mentioned Cap's processing speed. Bats was able to react and formulate tactics mid WW blitz, mid Zoom blitz. Using his gear. So....
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because he does. Lol. It's Bats.It's in his personality to use any and all means at his disposal to win.
Even of it means turning Prometheus into Galan's wet dream, for example (Huntress even calls him out on cheating). Every item I mentioned, he's used, sometimes against super powered opponents (like Cap is) or against normal humans (like Cap APPEARS at first glance).
Read my very first post here. I didn't come in looking for a BZ. Like I said, the lack of prior info handicaps Batman, who wouldn't know what Cap is capable of, and thus, would hold back and study from the shadows, IMO. That's why i said it would be hard - never said it was a cakewalk.
But once he realises what Cap is, why WOULDN'T he use his gear?
why would magnetizing his shield even matter? It would just make it a h2h thing where Batman would still lose.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85It's in his personality to use any and all means at his disposal to win.
Even of it means turning Prometheus into Galan's wet dream, for example (Huntress even calls him out on cheating). Every item I mentioned, he's used, sometimes against super powered opponents (like Cap is) or against normal humans (like Cap APPEARS at first glance).
Read my very first post here. I didn't come in looking for a BZ. Like I said, the lack of prior info handicaps Batman, who wouldn't know what Cap is capable of, and thus, would hold back and study from the shadows, IMO. That's why i said it would be hard - never said it was a cakewalk.
But once he realises what Cap is, why WOULDN'T he use his gear?
DarkSaint! DarkSaint! Time out bro! This is like the discussion from another thread. I never argued that characters won't use weapons or powers. I argued that they wouldn't use it straight away.
Batman usualy engages people in h2h or may throw a few batarangs, if things start going badly then he'll start using other stuff. So he will probably use other stuff the question is when and how.
Originally posted by Deadline
DarkSaint! DarkSaint! Time out bro! This is like the discussion from another thread. I never argued that characters won't use weapons or powers. I argued that they wouldn't use it straight away.Batman usualy engages people in h2h or may throw a few batarangs, if things start going badly then he'll start using other stuff. So he will probably use other stuff the question is when and how?
The instant he starts to lose. As I said, he did it mid blitz with WW, even though he was completely sucker attacked and was not wearing his suit, and was injured, and was chatting to his friends (so not in a fighting mindset).
He did it mid blitz with Zoom, who is...well, Zoom. In short, he will use what he can get his hands on.
So we can debate, but the end result is the same.
Either Batman spams his belt, or waits until he's losing, then spams his belt.
Result is still Bats winning. The only difference is in OUR scenario, Cap gets to punch him a couple of times.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
why would magnetizing his shield even matter? It would just make it a h2h thing where Batman would still lose.
Lol no, it makes CAP without his most famous weapon. Batman can still spam his other gear.
What, do you think he throws his belt away? Lol.