Originally posted by Smurph
To start, you're arguing that Cap's intelligence is more enhanced than Batman's? And you're down this rabbit hole making a case that Cap will intuit Batman's gadgets and change up his fighting style, which makes it look like Cap needs to do that.These stips favour Cap. He doesn't need to change up his fighting style, he just needs to put Batman down, quickly.
If this were a Batman book with these stips and full capacity on both sides, Cap would win the first round (aka, the forum match), and Batman would out-prep him in the follow up.
And if this were any other book, even with those stips Bats would pull something out of his rear. 😈
Just like he did in Suicide Squad (This "GI Jane" lady was so tough, Blue Beetles air gun couldn't put her down. Bats still made her a non factor via being Batman) or Damage.
And forget about Justice League. There, he's somehow the most relevent member, against any threat level.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
that batman could survive cap throwing a full force shield at him
by avoiding it -- key important detail.
And that's your strategy, what happen if Bats avoids this shield coming directly at him, and now Cap doesn't have his best/only defense to all the gadgets of Bruce.
Not your best plan Alberto. Plus according to your OP Cap cannot throw a full force shield at Bats.
Somebody already addressed that with his gadgets etc
Originally posted by Deadline
Those examples are of Bats using gadgets when he is in a bad situation so like I said Bats tends not to use serious gadets straight away he will only use them when things gets bad.Dunno about that. Normal batarangs will get dodged, explosive batarangs will get dodged. Gas pellets won't neccesarily work because it's an open envinronment Cap can hold his breath and dodge out of the way of the area of effect of the gas. Magnets probably won't work because Cap knows he has all sorts of gadgets and will hold onto his shield. It's possible that Cap could throw the sheild so hard that if Bats try to use megnets it will take his head off. Sonics, well Caps has resisted sonics from Tony Starks after taking a beating from Iron man those sonics were shutting down the brains of other heroes. Sonics are a bit like TP attacks and require willpower to resist, Cap has resisted TP from Red Skull using Xaviers brain.
Also Cap can pressure point Batman to make it hard from him to fight, he's more skilled and has a stat advantage. If he can do it to Iron Spiderman he can do it to Bats. Another tactic is that Cap could just keep his distance and let Bats throw all his weapons they are all limited to range. So gas won't cover the whole area, neither will sonics.
Originally posted by Smurph
To start, you're arguing that Cap's intelligence is more enhanced than Batman's?
Coinsidering the fact that all Caps stats are enhanced and is stronger and has more stamina than Batman it's not unfair to argue that his intelligence is enhanced more than Bats ie proccessing speed, combat scenerios etc. Obvioulsy Batman is better at building things and Tony Stark is but they don't have enhanced intelligence like Cap.
I dunno maybe Cap isn't stronger than Batman either.
Originally posted by Smurph
And you're down this rabbit hole making a case that Cap will intuit Batman's gadgets and change up his fighting style, which makes it look like Cap needs to do that.
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He might actually need to do that because Batman is capable of holding his own in h2h and if he starts pulling out lots of gadgets he could possibly bring Cap down.
I'm well aware that Cap could go to bring him down quickly I've made the argument on this forum that Cap could possibly manhandle him. I just didn't feel like bringing it up...yet.
Also if you actually bothered to read my post instead of lumping me in with Alberto you will see actually said a lot of what you said.
Originally posted by SmurphYou can make a good case that Cap can block and dodge nearly all of Batman's gadgets, and that he has the feats to tank any that land.
Originally posted by DeadlineDunno about that. Normal batarangs will get dodged, explosive batarangs will get dodged. Gas pellets won't neccesarily work because it's an open envinronment Cap can hold his breath and dodge out of the way of the area of effect of the gas. Magnets probably won't work because Cap knows he has all sorts of gadgets and will hold onto his shield. It's possible that Cap could throw the sheild so hard that if Bats try to use megnets it will take his head off. Sonics, well Caps has resisted sonics from Tony Starks after taking a beating from Iron man those sonics were shutting down the brains of other heroes. Sonics are a bit like TP attacks and require willpower to resist, Cap has resisted TP from Red Skull using Xaviers brain.
Also Cap can pressure point Batman to make it hard from him to fight, he's more skilled and has a stat advantage. If he can do it to Iron Spiderman he can do it to Bats. Another tactic is that Cap could just keep his distance and let Bats throw all his weapons they are all limited to range. So gas won't cover the whole area, neither will sonics.
Furthermore it's faulty logic to assume that holding onto his shield is changing his style when there are lots of fights where has done this.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Somebody already addressed that with his gadgets etc
Nope I never did that. I'm making Cap look bad. 🙄
Originally posted by abhilegend
Is someone seriously trying to argue that Cap is more intelligent than Bruce?
Alf is like that, yeah. He never stops.
Originally posted by Deadline
I found this.http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb410/raykongs/Capdidacticmemory_zps7bdc6c5e.jpg
I do think this is something that has been pushed much more in recent times. Caps intelligence I think could be equivalent to Aquaman's tp in the sense that some writers may not know he has it and is rarely refered to.
When I first started reading Cap I had been doing it for several years and I don't think I read anywhere in comics or bios that it enhanced his mind. This seems to be a modern phenomenon, there is also a reference to his intelligence in Secret Avengers were its stated by Beast that Cap is a super soldier that can master any weapon in seconds.
Good time to mention how Bats regularly makes a fool out of Clark, who is supposed to have super intelligence, lol.
Originally posted by DeadlineOK, so you're trying to say that Cap has faster reactions and processing? Or that his intelligence is more enhanced? Do you see the disconnect between the two claims?
Coinsidering the fact that all Caps stats are enhanced and is stronger and has more stamina than Batman it's not unfair to argue that his intelligence is enhanced more than Bats ie proccessing speed, combat scenerios etc. Obvioulsy Batman is better at building things and Tony Stark is but they don't have enhanced intelligence like Cap.
Arguing that Bats and Stark don't have 'enhanced intelligence' is like arguing that Bane without venom doesn't have enhanced strength. Looks silly, even if you turn around and narrowly define intelligence to only mean processing speed and not 'building things' (and, I'm guessing, excluding a bunch of other mental skills that are part of intelligence).
Originally posted by DeadlineYeah, there's a forum pile-on going on because you're going after all these non-starter arguments. Same as when you argued that Cap is just as versatile as Batman. Those aren't points that Cap is going to win, so why go after them? Cap doesn't need more enhanced intelligence or versatility, he just needs to knock Bruce out.
Nope I never did that. I'm making Cap look bad. 🙄
Anyways, bottom line here is that there's a strong case to be made that Cap would win a fight on these stips.
