Originally posted by mike brown
I tend to wonder if this shift is more due to the people who were born into Christianity but didn't practice it extensively coming to terms with their own secular nature. I.e. I wonder how many actual"Bible thumpers" are being converted.
I think that is part of it, i.e. tacit and nominal "Christians" no longer feel the social pressure to identify as Christian.
I think the reason for this is twofold:
[list=1][*]The religious right have made Christianity toxic in American culture.
[*]The Internet has increased access to information.[/list]
When Christians got involved in politics, they lost the culture. And the Internet allows people to seek answers outside of the church.
A pretty well-written article...
It’s time for us to have an unapologetic atheist in the Oval Office
The outsize political role of pastors in U.S. politics has sometimes been good and sometimes bad; both segregationists and civil rights activists cited the Bible. Today, the consequences are often simply perverse. Some evangelicals condemn Pete Buttigieg, a Christian combat veteran, for being gay, yet insist that God selected Donald Trump — a thrice-married adulterer and serial liar whose life has been devoted to the pursuit of mammon — as president.
Yeah, this evangelical attachment to Trump is really strange.
Even if I'm a religious man myself I don't think excessive identification with religion is a good thing. I respect that people feel the need to own their own ethical decisions disregarding their personal philosophies and creeds. Sadly in my experience religion pulls a lot of people in the opposite direction.
With that said, I feel similarly about sexual identities. If you are responsible about your sexuality and respect that of others, I don't think the label you use to describe your preferences/gender matters much. Using it as an excuse for trying to get advantages or play victim is a whole different issue.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
A pretty well-written article...It’s time for us to have an unapologetic atheist in the Oval Office
Yeah, this evangelical attachment to Trump is really strange.
The outsize political role of pastors in U.S. politics has sometimes been good and sometimes bad; both segregationists and civil rights activists cited the Bible. Today, the consequences are often simply perverse. Some evangelicals condemn Pete Buttigieg, a Christian combat veteran, for being gay, yet insist that God selected Donald Trump — a thrice-married adulterer and serial liar whose life has been devoted to the pursuit of mammon — as president.
Or who these Evangelicals side with has nothing to do with their so called religious moral code.
Originally posted by Robtard
Or who these Evangelicals side with has nothing to do with their so called religious moral code.
I just wish they would be honest and say the following:
Donald Trump does not live by our values, but we voted for him because we thought he was more likely to fight for some of our values than the democrats.
That is more honest than saying "God chose him" even if you ignore the fact God isn't real. For example, Trump is going to support legislation against abortion more than any democrat would.
Originally posted by Surtur
It would be hilarious having an atheist president. Imagine what those from the 1960s butthurt over a Catholic becoming president would say if some time traveler from the future came and said "the president doesn't think god is a thing".
I think we're pretty close. I believe both Obama and Trump are not very religious and just kind of pretended to be to pander to various voting blocs.
Originally posted by BackFire
I think we're pretty close. I believe both Obama and Trump are not very religious and just kind of pretended to be to pander to various voting blocs.
Isn't it known Obama attended church and stuff in the past? Though I do not believe Trump personally cares about religion.
Originally posted by Surtur
I just wish they would be honest and say the following:Donald Trump does not live by our values, but we voted for him because we thought he was more likely to fight for some of our values than the democrats.
That is more honest than saying "God chose him" even if you ignore the fact God isn't real. For example, Trump is going to support legislation against abortion more than any democrat would.
Fair enough 👆
I'm looking forward to 2021 when they magically find their caring for morals, family values and general decency again. Should Trump win again, then there concerns will remain hidden for another four years.
Originally posted by BackFire
To them "family values" just means being against abortions and gay people.
If abortion is "murder" to them, then wouldn't they just hold their noses and be all for gay couples? Much harder to create a baby (that could then maybe be aborted) via buttf**king and scissoring. Believe me, I've tried!
Originally posted by BackFire
To them "family values" just means being against abortions and gay people.
Basically, yeah.
Originally posted by Surtur
To be fair it can go beyond that. My grandma shamed my cousin for getting pregnant when she wasn't married.
Yeah, premarrital sex is another big issue. Which is why fundamentalists just want "abstinence" education (which has failed miserably) and not proper safe sex education. Cause you know, evolved apes can so easily control millions of years of evolution. But to them we're not that of course, we're God's holy design with perfect control over our "free will."
Originally posted by Robtard
If abortion is "murder" to them, then wouldn't they just hold their noses and be all for gay couples? Much harder to create a baby (that could then maybe be aborted) via buttf**king and scissoring. Believe me, I've tried!
No, no. Homosexuals have to be converted so they will have babies who will be poor and have no choice but to join the army and fight and die for the military industrial complex. Duh.