'Nones' Now as Big as Evangelicals & Catholics in the US

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Originally posted by Patient_Leech
American secularism is growing — and growing more complicated

Another book, “Secularism: The Basics,” out this month from Georgetown University professor Jacques Berlinerblau, focuses on political secularism and argues that while Americans may be growing less religious, their government and courts are becoming less secular.

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Emma Koonse Wenner, religion editor for Publishers Weekly, said there is a bit of a boom happening on the topic. There are so many people who have left traditional religious structures but are still interested in the “spiritual but not religious” genre, she said, that PW now does a regular feature on the topic of the “nones” — those Americans who tell pollsters they have “no religion.” That group has swelled from[B] 16 percent of the country in 2007 to 29 percent today, Pew Research said last month. [/B]

Isn't 29% what you need to enact a hostile takeover?

Originally posted by samhain
Isn't 29% what you need to enact a hostile takeover?

I'd argue way less. Look what the Bolsheviks accomplished in 2017.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
@patientleech

Do you worry that the destruction of religion will leave a psycho-spiritual vacuum that people could fill with something worse ?

It's a complicated question, but in short, no. Those who find their way out of religion are no worse for it, and in fact (speaking from personal experience) are much more free and open to experience in a much more positive way. Humans will continue to do human things, good and bad. But what they won't do anymore without religion is waste perfectly good energy debating or spreading dogmatic and nonsensical theology. They also won't be convinced to do harm in the name of religion thinking that it is good.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Or do you think any alternatives to traditional religious thinking is superior ?

Yes. We know that severe weather is not punishment from a god. Or that seizures are not demon possession. Just examples of how traditional religious thinking is no longer useful.

Originally posted by samhain
Isn't 29% what you need to enact a hostile takeover?

I don't know, but given the diversity and disorganization of "nones" it's not a thing to worry about or expect anytime soon. Organizing Freethinkers, as they say, is like trying to herd cats.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
It's a complicated question, but in short, no. Those who find their way out of religion are no worse for it, and in fact (speaking from personal experience) are much more free and open to experience in a much more positive way. Humans will continue to do human things, good and bad. But what they won't do anymore without religion is waste perfectly good energy debating or spreading dogmatic and nonsensical theology. They also won't be convinced to do harm in the name of religion thinking that it is good.

Yes. We know that severe weather is not punishment from a god. Or that seizures are not demon possession. Just examples of how traditional religious thinking is no longer useful.

I mostly agree with the first chunk of your response.

On the second part of your response, I don't mean a god of the gaps style progression of knowledge, I mean a replacement that is a comprehensive system of ideas.

For example, how do you feel about this ?
Based on these premises

1.) We both exist.
2.) The senses have the capacity for accuracy.
3.) Language has the capacity for meaning.
4.) Correction requires universal preferences.
5.) An objective methodology exists for separating truth from falsehood.
6.) Truth is better than falsehood.
7.) Peaceful debating is the best way to resolve disputes.
8.) Individuals are responsible for their actions.

Then this theory of morality is true.

1.) Reality is objective and consistent.
2.) “Logic” is the set of objective and consistent rules derived from the consistency of reality.
3.) Those theories that conform to logic are called “valid.”
4.) Those theories that are confirmed by empirical testing are called “accurate.”
5.) Those theories that are both valid and accurate are called “true.”
6.) “Preferences” are required for life, thought, language and debating.
7.) Debating requires that both parties hold “truth” to be both objective and universally preferable.
8.) Thus the very act of debating contains an acceptance of universally preferable behaviour (UPB).
9.) Theories regarding UPB must pass the tests of logical consistency and empirical verification.
10.)'The subset of UPB that examines enforceable behaviour is called “morality.”
11.) As a subset of UPB, no moral theory can be considered true if it is illogical or unsupported by empirical evidence.
12.) Moral theories that are supported by logic and evidence are true. All other moral theories are false.

And from these premises and parameters you can figure things out like: the nonaggression principle and that; murder, rape, theft, lying, and fraud are wrong.

This just in...

Religious 'Nones' are now the largest single group in the U.S.

Sorry, PL, but it's pretty obvious that hurricanes are caused by teh gays.

Jerry Falwell Jr. said so while paying to watch the pool boy f*ck his wife as he waited in the corner to clean up after he was finished.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
This just in...

Religious 'Nones' are now the largest single group in the U.S.

I think you'll find the number 1 religion in the US to be Opiodian

church or the unwarranted dopamine rush

Originally posted by Robtard
Sorry, PL, but it's pretty obvious that hurricanes are caused by teh gays.

Jerry Falwell Jr. said so while paying to watch the pool boy f*ck his wife as he waited in the corner to clean up after he was finished.

I guess we're in trouble, then. Because now that there's more 'Nones' it probably means there's more gays, which will mean more hurricanes! It's science.

Good thing for Jerry Falwell and other religious weirdos that God doesn't mind if his anointed people spank it to pool boys and molest kids etc. Very convenient for them.

It's only consentual gayness that angers God.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
This just in...

Religious 'Nones' are now the largest single group in the U.S.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
I guess we're in trouble, then. Because now that there's more 'Nones' it probably means there's more gays, which will mean more hurricanes! It's science.

Good thing for Jerry Falwell and other religious weirdos that God doesn't mind if his anointed people spank it to pool boys and molest kids etc. Very convenient for them.

It's only consentual gayness that angers God.

The path is clear then, "the gays" must turn the hurricanes gay. Maybe start by giving them gay names.

Indeed!

Originally posted by Adam_PoE

Nietzsche?

God never was alive technically, because "In God we Trust" (on money) and "Under God" (in the Pledge of Allegiance) were not added unto the 1950s by religious wackos trying to take over.

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Originally posted by Robtard
Nietzsche?

Rosemary's Baby.

Of course none's are bigger, that was the point.

No moral authority means you become a good little drone, consume and work for Big Corporate.

Originally posted by cdtm
Of course none's are bigger, that was the point.

No moral authority means you become a good little drone, consume and work for Big Corporate.

dur

NotFunFact: Catholics rape little boys and then hide it, so they can then go on raping more little boys

edit: TBF, Mormons and Evangelicals do the same, so not fair to single out Catholics

Oh yeah, that Southern Baptist Convention likes them some pedophilia.

Why else would Republicans resist sex education for kids? So they can more easily take advantage of them, of course!

Bunch of degenerates.