Originally posted by Robtard
But I've been told here time and time again (by Trumpers) that our justice/penal system does not disparately impact the black community...
But it does.
There are a few false myths that lefties hold onto, of course. But there are...perhaps 8 measures we can look at and those myths apply to 3-4 of them, but not all.
Stop and frisk comes to mind.
Originally posted by dadudemon
But it does.There are a few false myths that lefties hold onto, of course. But there are...perhaps 8 measures we can look at and those myths apply to 3-4 of them, but not all.
Stop and frisk comes to mind.
Bingo, I don't recall anyone here saying blacks get treated fairly. I've pushed back against the notion that there are more blacks in prison strictly due to racism.
Originally posted by Surtur
For example, whites and blacks both use weed in similar amounts...but blacks get arrested more often for it.Is this due to nothing but racism? I don't think so.
That's my "stop and frisk" point.
They get stopped and frisked much more often than others.
But there are other stats that favor blacks in some places such as arrests per encounter.
Originally posted by dadudemon
That's my "stop and frisk" point.They get stopped and frisked much more often than others.
But there are other stats that favor blacks in some places such as arrests per encounter.
Yes, but I also think living in higher crime areas with increased police presence increases the chances of getting busted.
Then the question is, why do they get stopped and frisked more than other races? Is it just pure racism? Is it the fact they commit more homicides than any other race? Is it both?
Originally posted by SurturI think that generally there are more cops in black neighborhoods because there is more crime in those neighborhoods. But the drug war in general has traditionally had some racial undertones to it.
Yes, but I also think living in higher crime areas with increased police presence increases the chances of getting busted.Then the question is, why do they get stopped and frisked more than other races? Is it just pure racism? Is it the fact they commit more homicides than any other race? Is it both?
It's not that obvious to me since stop and frisk happens more in the dangerous parts of NY where blacks are more likely to live. I think the real rationale behind it is looking by for illegal guns more than bags of weed.
That still would be a systemic bias against blacks due to the racial demographics of poverty and crime... But it's not quite so clear it's just a matter of profiling imo.
Originally posted by Robtard
If Black people are going to jail more often for weed and it's because they're being stopped and frisked more, (ie profiled by police) that would be bigotry/racism in effect. SMH.
Nope.
Originally posted by mike brown
I think that generally there are more cops in black neighborhoods because there is more crime in those neighborhoods. But the drug war in general has traditionally had some racial undertones to it.
Yup.
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
*answerGot a question for ya, why do you feel the need to thumbs up and high five everything rob does or says?
The answer is simple: it's Surtur Derangement Syndrome. SDS is what causes him to put me on ignore while at the same time continually talking about ignoring me while also obsessively commenting nearly every time Rob responds to me.
Originally posted by Robtard
If Black people are going to jail more often for weed and it's because they're being stopped and frisked more, (ie profiled by police) that would be bigotry/racism in effect. SMH.
I mean...I thought my point was rather obvious.
I'll do better to explain myself, next time.
In Surtur's defense (he doesn't need me to white knight him but I'm doing it anyway), I think he's talking about probability of encounter by race. You'll have poorer neighborhoods that get patrolled more often due to crime because they are poor. Poorer neighborhoods have far more blacks than in suburbs. So the stop and frisk statistics might be another "victim" of population density and poverty statistics rather than a true racist policy. A way to measure and control for this is to check on a "sister city" that has similar population density and crime but a much smaller concentration of black population (in other words, look for a "whiter" city). If stop and frisk activities are better predicted by crime heat maps rather than race heat maps, Surtur is 100% correct and the idea that Stop and Frisk policies are usually racist becomes another one of the false myths.
However, I do not have the time to do a dive into something like this. Nor do I care to do a heat map comparison to find out if this is racist or not. I will take the lazy way out and continue to tell people that, in general, stop and frisk policies are racist and should be stopped. They violate the 4th amendment rights, as well, which is far far more important than finding drugs on a black man. FYI, to my British friend (Whirly), stop and frisk is an illegal search and seizure. They must have probable cause or a warrant before they can stop and frisk someone. Being poor and black is not probable cause.