Kurse vs Hela

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
...Again, that's the core argument I brought to the table. What did you thought I was debating? Perhaps if you were to quote what I said you want me to BZ it would be easier.

1. I said it's possible, not that it's the case or that I am certain of it.

2. Okay, I see now.

But I am drawing a straight line here. I said that it's an invalid strength feat, not that I believe that strength isn't involved in the feat.

Considering that, I am willing to prove the feat invalid (BZ).

Good, to make it official. I will issue the challenge and you accept. Once you do, we select judges and we post the BZ in the VS comics. Will have to do that tomorrow as I gotta go to work (judge selection and BZ Vs post I mean). We also gotta agree on rules such as post count, etc if needed.

"Based on evidence, the Hela Mjolnir crush is a valid strength "feat"." (y/n)

I will take yes.

Do you accept the BZ or not?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Good, to make it official. I will issue the challenge and you accept. Once you do, we select judges and we post the BZ in the VS comics. Will have to do that tomorrow as I gotta go to work (judge selection and BZ Vs post I mean). We also gotta agree on rules such as post count, etc if needed.

"Based on evidence, the Hela Mjolnir crush is a valid strength "feat"." (y/n)

I will take yes.

Do you accept the BZ or not?

BZ accepted.

P.S: Why in the comic section?

Bc that’s where we do BZ’s

Will set it up tonite. Post here to discuss details for now. Off to work.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Will set it up tonite. Post here to discuss details for now. Off to work.

Fine. Let's make it a not so long and tedious one.

I was thinking.

1 intro each.
3 posts to argument and rebuke
1 conclusion

Then we get the judges to decide.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Well, something has to explain the inconsistency.

And certainly, proving that only strength was used isn't possible besides the visuals.

If you want to claim magic explains the inconsistency, you have to prove she has the type of magic that would make it possible.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If you want to claim magic explains the inconsistency, you have to prove she has the type of magic that would make it possible.

No, for I am not saying that magic is responsible, I am saying that magic could be responsible, for we don't know Hela's full extent of her abilities.

Again, something's got to explain the massive inconcistency in strength.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No, for I am not saying that magic is responsible, I am saying that magic [B]could be responsible, for we don't know Hela's full extent of her abilities.

Again, something's got to explain the massive inconcistency in strength. [/B]

In order for it to be possible that magic is responsible, she would have to have a magic ability that would allow her to do it. So, prove she has such an ability.

Originally posted by Silent Master
In order for it to be possible that magic is responsible, she would have to have a magic ability that would allow her to do it. So, prove she has such an ability.

No. If she would have a magic ability that would allow her to do it, it wouldn't be possible, it would be the reason for the inconsistency.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No. If she would have a magic ability that would allow her to do it, it wouldn't be possible, it would be the reason for the inconsistency.

No, she would have the magic ability for it to be possible. For it to be the reason, she would have to use the magic ability.

I just realized what today is. To avoid getting April 1'd if I were to do the work to set up the BZ (and for you to avoid the same), I will defer our guidelines and judge selection to the day after.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, she would have the magic ability for it to be possible. For it to be the reason, she would have to use the magic ability.

That should be.

No, she would need to have the magic ability for it to be possible. For it to be the reason, she would have to use the magic ability.

Edit: IOW, if she doesn't have the magic ability. it would be impossible for her to have weakened Mjolnir via magic.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I don't recall black hole grenades being part of Kurse's standard equipment.

As for this fight, Hela wins round 1 decisively. She also wins round 2 but mostly due to attrition. Kurse will ragdoll her a bit and give her a beating but I just don't see how he can seriously hurt her. Hela can heal from her injuries where I don't think Kurse can, so eventually she'll simply outlast him.

I'm not saying it is standard equipment but why don't you think so? Because he never used it prior? Was the grenade given to him in the scene he used it or was he shown to already have it (I don't recall).

It's not proven that she can heal indefinitely outside of Asgard (or at all). It makes complete sense for her to heal drawing power from Asgard (especially after she uses up her reserves).

Originally posted by steverules_2
Over 9000 Oz.

Oh ok.

Tbh I believe it was strength used to crush Mjolnir.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, she would have the magic ability for it to be possible. For it to be the reason, she would have to use the magic ability.

Originally posted by Silent Master
That should be.

No, she would need to have the magic ability for it to be possible. For it to be the reason, she would have to use the magic ability.

Edit: IOW, if she doesn't have the magic ability. it would be impossible for her to have weakened Mjolnir via magic.

We know that there is an inconsistency. The fact that we don't know if Hela has some sort of magical ability that would assist her in the feat, makes it possible.

Again, we never saw Hela's full extent of her magic/powers. So, the inconsistency allows for it to be possible.

Again, if I were to have evidence, I wouldn't be calling the feat invalid.

We go by feats. If you can't prove she has the magical ability to weaken Mjolnir, then she doesn't have it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
We go by feats. If you can't prove she has the magical ability to weaken Mjolnir, then she doesn't have it.

I know that.

Except this feat is inconsistent, which means that something else's got to be happening in the scene that's affecting the feat.

I personally think magic's involve.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I know that.

Except this feat is inconsistent, which means that something else's got to be happening in the scene that's affecting the feat.

I personally think magic's involve.

Based on what shown ability of Hela's?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Based on what shown ability of Hela's?

Based on Hela's unknown magic abilities.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Based on Hela's unknown magic abilities.

That's not how this board works, we go by feats.