Kurse vs Hela

Originally posted by Silent Master
Prove your claim.

Here is my proof:

Originally posted by FrothByte
Unfortunately, it seems I'm going to end up backing Josh and h1 here (and believe me, it's not something I enjoy).

I'm iffy to attribute Hela's Mjolnir crushing to pure physical strength, for the simple reason that had she been that strong, she should have been able to easily stomp Thor in a physical confrontation. In fact, I'd say if she was strong enough to casually crush Mjolnir in her grip, she should have been able to knock out Thor (if not outright kill him) with a single punch.

We know that's not the case. I mean, it was clear that Hela was stronger than Thor (seeing as she overpowers him multiple times) but it wasn't such a mismatch that Thor was unable to keep up with her for a bit.

I'm sure her physical strength played a part in the feat, but I also think there was something more there.

Go ahead, stabb your brother at the back! 😂

That isn't proof, that is his opinion. Now, back up your claim.

Originally posted by Silent Master
That isn't proof, that is his opinion. Now, back up your claim.

I am pretty sure that Froth proved why the feat isn't one of pure strength.

But OMG!!! First stabb!

No, he gave his opinion. opinions aren't proof.

Now, prove your claim.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, he gave his opinion. opinions aren't proof.

Now, prove your claim.

Hela would have obliterated Thor, yet, he was able to decently hold her for a while.

Considering that Hela on Asgard》》》》Hela on Earth.

Mjolnir feat isn't valid or isn't one of pure strength.

There, that's evidence enough.

There, now stop stabbing your bro, it's not nice!

Your specualtion isn't proof.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Your specualtion isn't proof.

Speculation!!? Thor handled Hela for some time in Odin's keep!

That's a feat not speculation you troll!

This is going nowhere so I've asked Imp for his opinion.

Originally posted by Silent Master
This is going nowhere so I've asked Imp for his opinion.

Concession accepted, you can't fill in the inconsistency.

Lol! Impediment has no jurisdiction over something like that.

This is a matter of the debate not forum regulations.

As this is going nowhere, I've asked Imp for his opinion.

Originally posted by Silent Master
As this is going nowhere, I've asked Imp for his opinion.

Fine. His opinion is respected.

No need. Now that we're free of any April 1 shenanigans, will pursue the BZ at best speed.

Josh. I expect that you'll accept the ruling in the BZ once it's resolved? I promise to do the same.

Posting the BZ in the Battlezone forum found in the comic book vs forum.

Link is here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=660377

Let's discuss the guideline and the judge selection process there. I am thinking maybe one opening, one closing and 3 post limit in between over a span of 1-2 weeks (we give each other at least 1-2 days per reply)? Who do you think would be best do judge this debate?

Why not just post the BZ here?

Idk, it just seems very strange to post a movie BZ on a board dedicated to comics. Star Wars Versus has BZs too, but they post them there.

I'm actually new to the BZ's here last time I made a BZ challenge I was told to put it in the Comic VS forum as it has a thread dedicated to it. Just going with that, I suppose.

I'll send a pm to Imp and let him decide what's best. I'm fine either way.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
No need. Now that we're free of any April 1 shenanigans, will pursue the BZ at best speed.

Josh. I expect that you'll accept the ruling in the BZ once it's resolved? I promise to do the same.

Posting the BZ in the Battlezone forum found in the comic book vs forum.

Link is here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=660377

Let's discuss the guideline and the judge selection process there. I am thinking maybe one opening, one closing and 3 post limit in between over a span of 1-2 weeks (we give each other at least 1-2 days per reply)? Who do you think would be best do judge this debate?

I will respond to the thread later today, am working some stuff atm.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
No need. Now that we're free of any April 1 shenanigans, will pursue the BZ at best speed.

Josh. I expect that you'll accept the ruling in the BZ once it's resolved? I promise to do the same.

Posting the BZ in the Battlezone forum found in the comic book vs forum.

Link is here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=660377

Let's discuss the guideline and the judge selection process there. I am thinking maybe one opening, one closing and 3 post limit in between over a span of 1-2 weeks (we give each other at least 1-2 days per reply)? Who do you think would be best do judge this debate?

Okay. Yes, I will accept the veredict of the fellow judges.

Let's resort to PM to dictate the conditions and set the judges, so we don't spam the thread with messages. When we have settled the terms, we publish them.

Sounds ok?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay. Yes, I will accept the veredict of the fellow judges.

Let's resort to PM to dictate the conditions and set the judges, so we don't spam the thread with messages. When we have settled the terms, we publish them.

Sounds ok?

Ok, sounds good. posted some proposed guidelines here, PM what you think.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Unfortunately, it seems I'm going to end up backing Josh and h1 here (and believe me, it's not something I enjoy).

I'm iffy to attribute Hela's Mjolnir crushing to pure physical strength, for the simple reason that had she been that strong, she should have been able to easily stomp Thor in a physical confrontation. In fact, I'd say if she was strong enough to casually crush Mjolnir in her grip, she should have been able to knock out Thor (if not outright kill him) with a single punch.

We know that's not the case. I mean, it was clear that Hela was stronger than Thor (seeing as she overpowers him multiple times) but it wasn't such a mismatch that Thor was unable to keep up with her for a bit.

I'm sure her physical strength played a part in the feat, but I also think there was something more there.

You're essentially saying it's not pure strength cuz she has no other strength feats in the movie to support her being that strong.

Which...is certainly an argument to make I suppose, but then how does it work for other characters? Does Captain Marvel need other feats in her movie to support her durability feat with the black hole?

And what of the argument that Hela merely didn't wtf own Thor physically in order to suit the plot?

Just like realistically, not a damn thing Thor has ever been harmed by should have ever harmed him, given his star feat. Yet Loki can shank him and Hulk draws blood.

Originally posted by Surtur
You're essentially saying it's not pure strength cuz she has no other strength feats in the movie to support her being that strong.

Which...is certainly an argument to make I suppose, but then how does it work for other characters? Does Captain Marvel need other feats in her movie to support her durability feat with the black hole?

And what of the argument that Hela merely didn't wtf own Thor physically in order to suit the plot?

Just like realistically, not a damn thing Thor has ever been harmed by should have ever harmed him, given his star feat. Yet Loki can shank him and Hulk draws blood.

No, it's not about whether she has other feats to support it but rather that she has other feats that contradict it.

When CM flew in the blackhole, that was towards the end of her movie and after she'd unlocked her full powers. Nothing she'd done after unlocking her full powers contradicts with her ability to fly through that blackhole.

Same is true with Thor. We've seen him survive both the Bifrost and Sokovia explosions without a scratch, he took a pointblank repulsor to the face and just got irritated, took on multiple full punches from Hulk to the face and didn't even suffer a cut lip. That time Hulk bloodied his nose in Avengers it was explained that he was weakened from being transported via dark matter.

As for Loki, he uses magical daggers. As far as I can tell, the only weapons to ever pierce Thor were all magical weapons (Loki's and Hela's). There's a scene in TDW where a regular sword just bounces off Thor's chest. And even those times Thor was injured by Loki or Hela, he was able to shrug off the injuries after a few minutes. Heck, when Hela slashed him across the face he only lost an eye instead of half his face.

In short, nothing we've seen Thor do contradicts his ability to survive that star. That's not the same thing we've seen from Hela, since her handling of Thor contradicts the strength necessary to easily crush mjolnir in her grip.

I'm not taking a hard stance against it, I'm just iffy about claiming it a pure physical strength feat. Unfortunately I can't prove it, which is why I dropped off from the debate.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I'm actually new to the BZ's here last time I made a BZ challenge I was told to put it in the Comic VS forum as it has a thread dedicated to it. Just going with that, I suppose.

I'll send a pm to Imp and let him decide what's best. I'm fine either way.

Yeah, I think the BZ can be posted in the MvF. I remember Quan launching some here.

Notify on Imp's response.