Yeah, it doesn't take a genius to understand that dropping the bombs was the lesser of the two evils. Many more lives would've been lost on both sides in a long, bloody, drawn-out invasion than the amount that were killed by dropping the bombs.
And don't forget, America gave them a chance to surrender after warning them that we had a new secret weapon that would kill many of their people and yet the japs refused to surrender. Even after we dropped the first bomb and thus they then knew we weren't bluffing they still refused to surrender.
i think one bomb would have been enough tbh
never understood the need for nuking the second city
the first nuke was basically a choice between
1. instantly murder hundreds of thousands of soldiers and civilians of the enemy
VS
2. let the battle continue and have maybe less victims, but also our own soldiers, or wait maybe they'll develop their own nukes while we wait, or wait who really knows what happens in the next few months, damn do we really know what's gonna come
kinda a bad choice vs. bad choice, i can justify the first nuke
Originally posted by gold slorg
i think one bomb would have been enough tbhnever understood the need for nuking the second city
the first nuke was basically a choice between
1. instantly murder hundreds of thousands of soldiers and civilians of the enemy
VS
2. let the battle continue and have maybe less victims, but also our own soldiers, or wait maybe they'll develop their own nukes while we wait, or wait who really knows what happens in the next few months, damn do we really know what's gonna comekinda a bad choice vs. bad choice, i can justify the first nuke
Incorrect, they didn’t give up after the first bomb, they did with the second.
Japanese people still come to the US to laugh at us when they visit Pearl Harbor.
LOL. The reason we nuked the second city is because the japs were stubborn and refused to surrender even after we nuked the first one... duh. FFS, that is the same troll guy that insulted southerners by accusing them all of being dumb in a seperate thread lol. He sure has lots of room to talk doesn't he? 😂
Originally posted by BrolyBlackNo invasion needed. Just hold the naval blockade for a week and it's over. Population was already starved of resources from the war to begin with. Hirohito was ready to do this before the bombs were dropped. The threat of Soviets raping and pillaging Japan was far more influential than the bombs.
No it wasn’t. It would have cost another 1-2 million lives to invade japan.Just because you are obsessed with Anime and Japanese culture doesn’t make you a Japan SJW now
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnaeOnly inbred Americans believe this. The bombs were not a primary motive to surrender. It is recorded that Hiroshima happened during the meeting of the "Big Six" government officials. Its occurrence did not change their positions or arguments in the slightest. They had been enduring conventional bombings for months.
LOL. The reason we nuked the second city is because the japs were stubborn and refused to surrender even after we nuked the first one... duh. FFS, that is the same troll guy that insulted southerners by accusing them all of being dumb in a seperate thread lol. He sure has lots of room to talk doesn't he? 😂
Once the Soviets invaded Manchuria, they had no more army to defend the mainland, and that's what drove them to surrender in addition to the US Naval blockade putting the squeeze on them.
They preferred an allied invasion than one by the barbaric Soviets.
the Japans didn't surrender immediately partially because of the lobby surrounding the Emperor believing that US had only one bomb, they didn't need to attack another huge city, it would have been enough to drop the nuke on sparsely populated area and minimize the destruction (yes, despite Japan's insane concentration of population, there are lots of such areas)
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Atomizing them was the best thing we did so they could pay for their sins👆They deserved more nukes if they didn’t stop after 2.👆
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Atomizing them was the best thing we did so they could pay for their sins👆They deserved more nukes👆
I agree that they brought it on themselves for what happened at Pearl Harbor but I'm also glad they learned their lesson and finally surrendered after Nagasaki. It's horrible that so many jap civilians had to die by us dropping the two bombs we did. Just glad we didn't have to drop anymore than we did and thereby kill even more of them.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
I agree that they brought it on themselves for what happened at Pearl Harbor but I'm also glad they learned their lesson and finally surrendered after Nagasaki. It's horrible that so many jap civilians had to die by us dropping the two bombs we did. Just glad we didn't have to drop anymore than we did and thereby kill even more of them.
Originally posted by TempAccount
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes
*YAWN*
Dude, Wikipedia is a friggin' joke and everyone knows it is. Sorry, but you don't have a "gotcha" there. From what I remember about Wikipedia, pretty much any moron can edit the page and put whatever they want on it lol... unless of course they've changed that policy.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnaelol is that the best you can do? It isn't 2006 anymore. Everything is cited at the bottom. I shouldn't have to hand-hold you just because you don't like what you see.
*YAWN*Dude, Wikipedia is a friggin' joke and everyone knows it is. Sorry, but you don't have a "gotcha" there. From what I remember about Wikipedia, pretty much any moron can edit the page and put whatever they want on it lol... unless of course they've changed that policy.
On a side note:
"America is not a poor country, indeed, in contrary to the Japanese society where we had to work hard and sweat for each meal. They would have problems of where to spend money" The book was actually a book that praises america, but still fails to grasp the basic understanding of American society.
And then we have this book "亜細亜民族と太平洋" "The Asian race and the Pacific". This book was written in 1940, in it it also has a chapter that deals with Americans, this time with a much harsher tone.
"The American, at their very core, are materialistic animals. To them, the only measure of success is how much they can own. They do not have a spiritual culture, or any culture with regards to their nation. To them, the measure on how a country is successful is it's rich and the machines, and the entertainment.
The only thing they value, is if something provides enough entertainment for them. "This thing is useful" "This thing is not useful" is their only thought when considering. If something does not provide immediate use, they would think "Nonsense!"
America does not have culture, nor noble traditions. To them, sports, jazz, love, gambling, gaming, is all they know.
....America is shallow, it is morally corrupt. Americanism is a poison upon their society."
Some of these sentiments do reflect greatly in the civilian population, and add on top of that American racism towards the Japanese. And you get this huge hodgepodge of ridicule, hate, and sense of superiority towards the Americans.
One last quote, this is a book from 1932. "挑むアメリカ" "Challenging America". In there, a chapter deals with Americans again.
I'm going to paraphrase what they say in there.
"Americans are people we must watch. Americans have a deep rooted racism towards us Japanese, For example, in 1924 a survey was conducted on the sentiment towards the anti-japanese law. In the Eastern states it was 5%, in the middle states it was 50%, and in the southern states it was 50%, and in the Western states it was 80%. That is how the Americans truly view us. Not as a friend where they seem to look like, but an enemy."
As you can see, pre-war it was less about the savagery of the Americans, but rather their better quality of life making them weaker willed. On top of a sort of anti-american sentiment born as a reaction from the Modern racism that was experienced by Japanese immigrants."